Posts by John Smith

    This is a very interesting subject and it gets down to the details of who should spin and who should glide. The points i look for in an athlete who is going to be a glider today is an athlete with a good standing throw. This happens only one of 2 ways. 1. the athlete has what i call an golden arm which is very rare in throwers (Only seen an handful of these over the years) 2.or someone that is very tall and long levered and strong especially in the upper body. Big stands take a big CNS and this is why we don't see many now a days. In the 80's 20m stands were common place and the top level stands were over 70 feet. I personally have seen some of these.


    This lost of the big standing throw has lead to the revolution of rotational throwers in the past 20 years. An excellent technical glider can only get about 7 feet on top of a standing throw on the average. The top men rotational style throwers today mostly throw stands right around 60 and many of them less then that. Some of these men have great weight room numbers that should indicate bigger standing throws but it just doesn't happen today without the peds because that is what drove the CNS to make all those large standing throws. The stand is a partial movement of the full throw and to create big distances the body has to create horsepower at a much faster rate.


    Ryan's numbers on the standing throws he has seen is the same Dan Taylor and Cory Martin have told me they have seen also.


    John Smith

    Non-reverse throwing, this is a good subject.


    I use non-reverse throwing all year long for about 60% to 70% of all total throws. Some athletes do it so well that their reverse throw does not beat their non-reverse. You find this a lot with tall gliders and discus throwers. I find tall rotational gliders reverse about 1 to 2 meters better than their non-reverse full. However, when the non-reverse full gets better so does the reverse full.


    Non-reversing simply trains the legs what to do and makes the legs do their job. Ground contact is where its at. We should be throwing off of ring-sized force platforms to determine what is good technique and build the technique around the ground forces.

    @Jim Williams testing became better. In 1988 Connie threw 62.10 and was 42nd on the world list. 1998 she threw 63.10 and was ranked 3rd in the world by Track and Field News... mainline stuff got phased out.


    @Tabór Abarca its better only because of the ability of 18 full rides women and 12.6 for men. 4 to 5 years free training ground for many 18 to 23 year olds. Lots of div 1 and 2 schools with money. Lots of bodies. However, when school is over the money stops and the throwers that can live cheap and work part time jobs are the ones that can survive. European talent selection and training is better then ours for the throws. However the NCAA system produced 29 track and field medals in the last Olympics and 30 medals from other countries that athletes came through the NCAA system. So we are beating ourselves.


    @Carlos Cunha Technique is one of the factors with the disc but the specific strength work is where we are really losing. I have seen 40 to 50 foot increases with the women's disc in 9 months by throwing heavy. Throwing heavy develops technique and so does the light. We need both.


    @Jim Williams 1.75k disc is just another tool in the toolbox. It all helps.


    @Sam Fillious It created more discus throwers, that's for sure but the Soviet block became less state supported which hurt many countries.

    3k should be the womens high school ball. The training i would use is to go 1k below and 2k above. Women should be like the men ,high school to college 25% increase in weight. I used to train 4k high school girls with 6lb, 3k, 7lb, 8lb, 4k, 10lb, 5k balls in practice. 50 foot girl got a 12lb.


    Lifting is the same for gliders and spinners.


    Best stand 15.35, best glide 17.23, best spin 19.10, 20m will come with time. Light balls already in place. 22.55 3k, 20.72 3.5k just need to build in the backend specific strenght throwing. Jeneva will reach 20m when we can get the 16lb to 14.30. This will take many throws will heavy balls.

    If you are competing in your home continent training at the same comp times is good. But we Americans usually have to go across the pond for major competitions. Over the years i have found that the athletes that function well in what i called managed chaos. These are the athletes that dont sleep well or eat on a regular schledule or train the same times everyday are the ones that tend to compete better overseas. The important thing is to simulate the body at the right times to fool themselves into feeling normal. Its all programming of training but its different at home and away.

    Paddy,
    I grew up in northwest indiana (portage) and the net was a big part of training. Usually november to march because of the weather back during the 70s and 80s. The girls are doing well and both with only 5 years of hammer training are in a good spot. Hammer is just time and reps. Make the heavy ball go far, make the light ball go far and the comp ball will go far. Nothing hard about hammer, we just make it that way as a country.