hi the following web page calculates the distance for a shotput throw given angle, height of release and speed of release. There is a similar one for discus. Does anyone know what the excel formula for this would be? The reason I want this is I can use this to calculate distance when throwing into a net.
Formula for calculating distance for shot put and discus
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Good question. The aerodynamic characteristic of discus would make it more difficult. Many more factors.... this is a good project!
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sorry here is the web page Discus Technique and Training
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I found the formula. I will just ask permission to publish it. Hopefully I am clever enough to put in a spreadsheet formula. It claims to work for discus/shot/Jav and hammer. Although it would not allow for wind for discus and Jav (does wind affect hammer). I am excited about it because you can do lots of practice into a net and using a tool like Kinovea you can get the velocity, angle and height and then calculate the approx distance.
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@Sam Healy
Couldn't upload straight onto throwholics....
"https://www.dropbox.com/s/urerc6uqqw5dmtz/Calculating Distance.xlsx"
link is to my dropbox containing spreadsheet I set up using formula just download it and you should be good to go! Let me know if you have any issuesFORMULA USED - Same as website you linked
a = angle
h = height
s = speed
a = a * 0.017453293;
d = ((s * s * sin(a) * cos(a)) + (s *cos(a) * sqrt((s *s * sin(a) * sin(a)) + 2 * 9.81 * h))) / 9.81; -
Isn't that a -9.81m/s^2 ? Rate of acceleration back to the ground due to gravity. I'm no physicist, but I did do multidimensional analysis in calc3; you should have all your algebraic terms correct so that they cancel so you finally end up with just distance (meters).
Furthermore, air resistance resulting from the implement clouding with billions of O2, N2, CO2, Ar, and H2O molecules... Maybe O3 if you're Jayson Young! (That was a science geek joke...lol, ozone is O3 and you're out there Jay) Air resistance is a constant. HOWEVER, it varies depending on release angle, angle at/during flight.
This is what is refered to as a multifactorial equation, of which there are so many variables to consider; I'd doubt an equation would be accurate within 10% of your actual throws....that's refered to as an actuarial improbability. Oh is that 'height' variable the height at release? Hope it is...ya might lose a few meters there : )
Neat idea, but any-who....I don't like to think that hard anymore...just train-and-throw, train-and-throw...
Life's much simpler that way. -
blaghhhh...'implement colliding with..' -stupid spellcheck
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yes @Odysseus it is the height of the release. The most important variable though is speed and that is what you are all trying to achieve by doing weights etc. I just thought about this when @James Joycey asked the question can you throw further than 20 m without lifting 200kg. At the end of the day it is how fast you can throw the implement
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yes, it is Sam: SPEED KILLS. Ultimately, the speed at which the arm is moving upon release is the governing factor, but everything we train to do goes into that.
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@Lachlan Page I have seen videos of you throwing into your net in the shed. Wonder if you have ever or would consider using this formula and to see how accurate it really is
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Sam, I don't want to intrude this but many peoples ideas for throwing into the net is to justify their technique and not worry about the distance. Is there a point in worrying about how far it goes? If you need that information you are probably better off throwing outside.
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plan on going to the track about once a week for real throwing and measuring. Just think throwing into the net and using technology we can instantly make changes to technique and instantly see the results. Can also get more throws done in a shorter timeframe
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@Odysseus I just grabbed the equation from the website haha. I don't know what half of it means.... I'm only still in high school
Was just trying to help Sam out@Sam Healy
ummm, doubt it. When throwing into a net I don't worry about the distance just the technical aspects of the throw. Good technique and the distance will happen. Also if I was curious about how far I am throwing, I can brave the conditions outside and walk to the circle in my backyard. -
@Lachlan Page very jealous of your setup
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ditto what James said, Sam...in the winter I'll take my indoor shots to a gym and throw against a wall from 40' out...only worrying about technique, speed, height and velocity at which they hit that wall
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