Quote from Brad Reid
I know one elite thrower who really worked stands, and if I recall correctly, he said he had to have a big stand, work it very hard, to overcome a style weakness he carried forward out of the back of the ring. In his case, there was a very positive correlation, he figured it out, and worked accordingly.
And, at the 1998 Masters Nationals, I recall watching Joe Keshmiri warming up and I don't recall much of anything with his stands, but he could hit these really long Shambools (half throws) longer than many of his full turn warm-ups. So much so that I wondered whether he'd half turn in the meet itself.
There are literally tons and tons of throwers who can perform a South African farther than a full, legal throw . . . for obvious reasons on the momentum side . . . analogous to a running start.
But, what does it say if any of these partial throws are "out-sized" proportionate to the full throw?
For out-sized SAs, I think it means that the thrower has trouble negotiating getting turned out of the back balanced and positioned properly into the middle; for an out-sized Shambool, I think it means the thrower loses the full throw a bit in the middle pivot and misses the timed "strike" at the point of delivery; for an out-sized stand, I think it could be all of the above, or any one of them but it likely solves a host of problems that generally lead to a thrower not being ideally positioned at delivery.
But, something is generally really wrong with a long jumper who can't running long jump much farther than his standing long jump, that is, the run up doesn't mitigate inertia drag. Same for a thrower.
Maybe the best analog is the very common situation where a lifter can hang clean more than a full clean. In this case, the culprit is well-known, that the getting the bar around those protruding knees pulls the body away from its optimal position for the second pull. Seems similar to me here.
published at Apr 25th 2013 5:22am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from ABG
Stan threw a PR of 217? to beat Al for fourth, It was his greatest accomplishment. It was a long time ago but I am pretty sure.
The meet itself was like competing in mud because no one was going anywhere. Thanks to Jimmy Carter we showed the Russians that great countries should not invade Afghanastan. That boycott set American athletics back a decade
published at Apr 25th 2013 9:25am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Brad Reid
Oerter threw 215'1" for 4th to Cain's 5th place 210'11". And, it was big Ben Plucknett who displaced Oerter from a 3rd place finish which was the big story of that day.
A great series for Oerter who had thrown a PR in 1979, then another in 1980 . . . and his 6 throws for the '80 Trials created his best-ever average in a major meet.
And, L. Jay Silvester competed in his record 6th Olympic Trials managing to make it into the finals, by a single inch, but finished 8th.
Hmm? Afghanistan may well have cost us dearly in athletics for a time, but it was one of the final straws that broke the back of the old Soviet Union which was severely hobbling by the '88 Games and wouldn't survive to see the 1992 Olympics. Then, the USA not learning the lessons of getting involved in foreign wars, did much the same in Iraq and Afghanistan, and it will likely take one or two full generations to make up our financial losses. What a mess!
published at Apr 25th 2013 10:29am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Gary Cooper
Drake Relays this weekend.... With the Discus, Hammer and Javelin being outside the stadium. does anyone know what the ticket cost is for these throwing events?
Thanks in advance.
published at Apr 25th 2013 7:36pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from ABG
Your research is always impecable so I stand corrected. It was still Stan's finest hour he always was an athlete that did what he probably should not have been able to do and was a great team mate who kept me on my toes.
As for Russia they were on their way out a decade earlier, creative accounting kept up their myth of greatness. When you pretend to pay people and they pretend to work the system falls apart. I hope we can make up the financial losses in two generations.
published at Apr 26th 2013 12:45am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/