Quote from romes
The question might be:
Do you wanna be strong or do you want to lift heavy barbells?
The ability to exert high tensions does not display itself the same ways across motor patterns.
No questions good throwers are strong...but they don't necessarily have to be able to lift heavy weights.
published at Apr 9th 2013 2:24am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from CoachMartin
You can do explosive pulls off blocks. Why would you want an athlete who's job is to be as explosive as possible doing a total body lift that is unexplosive by nature?
published at Apr 9th 2013 6:26am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Brad Reid
Fahey's research and people posting here I believe, aren't necessarily recommending deadlifting over lighter and faster pull movements. As a matter of fact, deadlifting is so debilitating and recovery periods so very long that it would likely be a better fit during off season training.
Tom F. likely included it just because he was looking for some available numbers to determine different strength attributes for his correlation measures . . . and the deadlift fit well for that.
But, don't discount deadlifts as a good core strength builder, too. Jon Cole was more "powerlifter" than "Olympic lifter" and he managed big throws from a relatively short stature. On the other side, I think Adam Setliff made a huge jump in his discus distances around the time he converted his weight training routine and became very proficient at snatching and C&Js.
Lots of disparate lifting routines work. Tony Washington was quoted as saying he was really reduced by various injuries to just doing dips and chins in his backyard around the time he won the World Championship with that huge 69 meter stadium discus throw.
In the end, big is better than small . . . as long as you don't lose ring speed, big and muscular generally works better than big and fat, long levers trump short ones, strong is better than weak . . . as long as you know how to use it, and good technique is better than bad technique.
Hey! One of the great mysteries of the throws is sort of a collegiate "sophomore slump" where the kid is suddenly at the age where he is filling out and getting big, gym numbers going way up, too, yet they throw relatively poorly for a season or two. I wonder how much of that is the sudden tendency to try to deploy the new strength, wrongly, in the ring and muscle or overpower throws?
published at Apr 9th 2013 7:38am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Kap
I think a good drill/exercise for this young lady would be to do continuous turns on the track, to get used to the rotational action going in a straight line. When that's comfortable, try full throws on a slab, not the ring yet, and put a small towel or chalk marks to be a "puddle" for her to jump across @ left leg exit. This will help her get a little "air"/flying time and help timing of landing in throw position in the front. As she gets comfortable and skilled w/ this you can make a bigger "puddle" as needed.
published at Apr 9th 2013 9:37am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from CoachMartin
I think strength is something that Americans put too much emphasid on. All great throwers are very strong. Tony Washington already had the strength to thriw that far. It was already there and he put a big throw together. When throwers get to college most coaches want to get them strong very quickly while the are trying to adapt to a bigger implement. Long throws with the HS implement dont always translate well to college. Many a 70 hs thrower struggled to hit 60 in college. You have to view strength progression in yeard versus weeks or months. The gains are longer lasting and usually do result in injuries. Ryan Crouser threw as far as he did in high school because he viewed tech as more important than strength.
Being 6'7" and an athletic freak never hurts either.
published at Apr 9th 2013 9:42am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from JBaer
I am currently stationed at Fort Benning in Georgia. I am getting stationed at Fort Sam Houston in San antonio, Texas in August. I have spent the last 2 years away from the throwing/coaching lifestyle and its driving me crazy. I will have the time to actually coach when I get to Texas. I am looking into coaching at the High School level. There are a ton of schools in that area. Would any of you have any insight on some of the schools there?
published at Apr 9th 2013 10:44am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from DangerousDan
Obviously this is a complex issue (probably the reason it is one of the two constant Ring topics). You can say that American's put too much emphasis on strength, but I think that is over simplifying a scientific approach that deals with astronomical variables and variations. In the end, most coaches aren't searching for perfection but rather for a flexible and wide-reaching system for developing relative excellence. In my conference, a 17m put will win almost every year and 52m in the discus will win almost every year and 60m in the hammer will win almost every year. Because of my personal goals and my realistic sense of my limitations, I am not looking for a 75m discus throw but a sure-fire way of producing constant and consistent 50m throwers and 16m shot putters, and 55m hammer throwers. Maybe I am the good that is the enemy of great.
published at Apr 9th 2013 4:54pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from w8coach
" I wonder how much of that is the sudden tendency to try to deploy the new strength, wrongly, in the ring and muscle or overpower throws?"
Well said , Brad!!
Sometimes this phenomenon lasts all four years and even a throwing career.
I guess the need to contract is automatic and it is up to the individual to be able to train and throw counterintuitively.
published at Apr 9th 2013 9:19pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from w8coach
The end result is always a contraction but it should begin as a stretch. If the right pec were contracted in the beginning the rigth elbow would begin infront of the thrower.
It is the contraction that is facilitated by the stretch reflex we are after.
published at Apr 9th 2013 9:24pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/