Quote from Brad Reid
Feuerbach was on the short side as elite shot putters go but George Woods, not much taller, reminded me that he was long in the torso for his height. And, he could really extend beyond the toe board a good distance owing to really good balance and recovery.
In addition to speed, height and angle of release, I think the very best gliders probably have about a 1 foot advantage, maybe more???, over rotators in this other statistic: extension beyond the toe board where they release the shot. I know there are exceptions.
In Carlton Stowers' book on Randy Matson, there is this one photo of Matson taken from the side and back that shows him "releasing" and he is way up in the air, I'd say releasing at 8.5' or maybe higher and way beyond the toe board. That was some advantage.
published at Aug 6th 2012 9:46am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from w8coach
Just curious on the theory of gliders reach advantages at release over spinners. Is this due to, in the cased of perfected technique for both styles, 1) a biomechanical disadvantage from one style(glide) compared to the other(spin) maybe visa versa or 2) lack of technical perfection for those who use the spin?
Does it have something to do with the end goal of where optimum direction we want the ball to land?
published at Aug 6th 2012 12:45pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from PowerTrainer
I'm doing very well, Thank you. Yes sir, I did throw 66+ indoors and 69'8" outdoors as a 16 year old Junior, at about 5'10" and 220 lbs.. Also, put the 16# 60 feet that year and the 20# 50 feet, from the dynamic glide. Senior year could have been huge for me, but alas I must have gotten Senior-itis and lazy! LOL. It was awesome to throw vs Reese at the Nats in 1997, in Raleigh, NC! But, I must add that I beat him there.. LOL
Well, IMO, I feel like everyone out there in this country pushes the spin so hard, neglecting the glide at every chance.. For some of the following reasons: Oh, you need to be SO STRONG to glide, you need to be Tall, you need a HUUUGGEE stand throw.. The spin is for the weaker, more 'athletic' thrower.. The spinners have weak stand throws and get 15 feet from their form! LOL, Complete fallacies!!
Feurbach wasn't tall, neither was Woods. Timmerman, they say 6'4"? Andrei looked to be like 6'2".. I don't think it's an issue of height, to be honest with you.. Like Norm Balke Posted, Nope on Height:
I think there is a limit to being so tall in that ring, whether you glide or spin. Myerscough is gigantic in there and looks cramped and probably is. Cantwell is tall and has barely any leg bend at all in the beginning of the ring or in the middle.. I'd venture to say if he bent his leg more in the beginning that he'd drive right over the toe board.. So, being tall has it's downfalls as well. I guess they need to worry about 'shortening' up their movements. Majewski probably has to worry about taking a short glide, instead of a long one b/c he would jump right out of the ring.
Secondly, this issue of the stand throw.. A spinner's stand and a glider's stand are 2 completely different 'animals'. To a spinner a stand throw is virtually meaningless.. To a glider a stand throw is half of their form. A stand throw is Part B of their form, the Glide to the middle being Part A of the form. A spinner will never need to stand throw like a glider b/c they don't get that position. Maybe compare a half turn of the spinner to a glider stand throw. The whole stand throw argument of Spinner vs Glider stand throw is a complete waste of words & time.
Next, I guess I can boil it down to really one thing. I'm not an expert, but I think it comes down to the way you train your body. I am lower strong, so my legs are so much stronger than my upper, no comparison, genetically that's me. I got across the ring so fast that when I released the ball it wasn't 12 lbs any longer, it was 9 or 8, get my point? My upper body was small, so it didn't slow me down..
Guys say well, you can move the implement faster as a spinner.. I don't agree, at all. It might 'look' faster. In this Olympics Storl was the fastest and most athletic thrower there, in my opinion, hands down!! That kid, who I just found out is 6'7", moved in there ridiculously fast and was athletic. Who moved the ball faster than him? Is he really 6'7"? Moved way too fast and agile for a 6'7" guy. Looked 6'4" to me. But, when he stood next to Majewski he was close to his height.
I see spinners and I see TOP TOP heavy athletes..Big monstrous upper bodies. I have a theory on that too. I see gliders of the Golden Age and I see DINOSAUR legs, that by far make their upper bodies look under developed.. Examples: Carter, Stulce, Timmerman.
Just using myself, not saying I am an Olympic champ or anything, but I had a small upper body. My father, I'm guessing modeled me after Ulf and their training regimen.. Someone once said to me, I think it was Dave Caster, that it looked like Ulf had the arms of an Aids patient! You all have seen Ulf's skinny arms..Yet, he was a BAMF in the ring and threw many far throws in many contests. A 75 footer and Olympic champ who won in a clutch! Why, b/c his legs were enormous and he was explosion incarnate!
If you want to teach kids the glide: #1- Work the heck out of the lower body. #2- Lay off of making the upper body gigantic and pretty much dead weight. #3- Show them videos of Stulce, Timmerman, Feurbach, Carter, Brenner, Andrei. The leg power is KEY. Power cleans, Sled drags, Front and back squats, Push press, Push Jerk, Leg Press, Plyo jumps, Bounds, Hurdle Hops, Side bends with heavy weight, Deadlifts, Sumo Deadlifts.
Anyone get anything out of that Book that I just wrote? HAHA!!
published at Aug 6th 2012 9:18pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Hank Slam
Thank you Kevin...that was a positive post and actually had IDEAS and expressed throwing thoughts! I'm curious ( as an avid Power Lifter myself) why the sumo deads? I think I get it it but want to hear your version.
Reminds me of a conversation I had w Mac Wilkens at iron Works Gym in SJ. Mac squatted power style (although wearing Oly shoes) and did deadlifts. He had seen me deadlifting many times before and sat down and asked me why I did them. I told him that I never bend my legs like a squat when I throw but that is more like a deadlift, especially from the power position on up through the release. Throwing was more "back" than leg. That deadlifts mimicked the power position. He smiled and said that is what he believed too, or words to that effect. Is this something like the sumo is for you?
published at Aug 6th 2012 9:38pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from PowerTrainer
I feel like the Sumo DL works the hip region a lot better than then conventional. Will help with the lateral push from the middle of the circle out. I also feel like, as wussy as they sound, abductor and adductor machines go hand in hand with this. Hip health, flexibility, mobility, and strength are a main concern. Sumo deads also help boost my squat, as well. Lastly, they break the monotony of just doing regular ol' conventionals!
published at Aug 6th 2012 10:29pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from PowerTrainer
Squatting in Olympic shoes are awesome! Most of the focus shifted to the quadriceps. The US world of powerlifting has long abandoned this shoe, except for certain feds in this country. They all go with Chucks, guess it allows them to sit back into those 5 ply suits better... =)
published at Aug 6th 2012 10:32pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/