"The Ring" archive entries from Sep 9th 2010

Quote from Bogdan Poprawski

I would like to get lucky for 74.09 ... just once ...

published at Sep 9th 2010 9:59pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from wrucky

If you take wind out as a factor, I am inclined to think that Robert Fazekas has thrown the furthest distance. 70.93m in closed stadium conditions has not been replicated by any other thrower.

I look at technique like this: a better throw is one that goes further than another, meaning that the best throw is the one that goes the furthest.

An appropriate definition of technique in this context is "How a performance is made" or "the method of doing a performance" or something similar. To relate this to discus specifically: better technique will make the discus go further. The best technique will make the discus go the furthest.

Although this model of technique is not easily applied in a conversation like this (different throwers have different bodies and levers etc) it is the only appropriate model that I can come up with.

Because nobody can quantify how correlative strength, speed, levers and muscle attachments are to distance along with what winds were present when certain throws took place etc. it is very difficult to determine who had the "best technique." If all throwers were genetically identical and all threw from the same ring at the same time under the same conditions with the same weight training & diet etc. then we would very accurately be able to measure who had the best technique.

Because this is not the case, however, even large technical factors are very ambiguous with regards to their addition or subtraction to distance. Also, no throwers have really been standouts with their personal bests (the top 3 throws of all time are within 1% of each other).

Having considered all of this I think that any attempt to conclusively state that "x thrower has the best technique" with any significant degree of accuracy is futile

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published at Sep 10th 2010 12:10am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Kap

I'd say look at Luis Delis.... did quite a lot (71.06m/233'2") with a 6'/235lb frame. Robbed of 1980 Olympic title (got 3rd) as well as silver at 1983 Worlds and bronze at 87 Worlds. He's pretty close to my concept of ideal discus tech.... perhaps a slightly wider right leg at exit but that's not a biomechanical need for men as it is for women.

published at Sep 10th 2010 12:21am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from bigb

People really base their decisions on how aesthetically pleasing the thrower may be.

Example, you have 5 different throwers who have all thrown the exact same distance but are all technically different.

Which one would you pick and way? Your going to pick the one you like the most. Given whatever reason, whether it be respect for one thrower over the others, whether one style is similar to what your doing, etc.

Bottom line, this technical discussion on who has better technique is all relative to the individual preference.

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published at Sep 10th 2010 12:35am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from wrucky

I think you might have a point there, some throwers are overrated because of their superior aesthetics and some are underrated because of their inferior aesthetics, when their performances are very similar.

published at Sep 10th 2010 12:48am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from wrucky

Then you are making the assumption that the best technique is possessed by the smallest and weakest thrower.

published at Sep 10th 2010 12:49am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/