"The Ring" archive entries from Sep 9th 2010

These are the posts from "The Ring" archive on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/ from day Sep 9th 2010

Quote from hopefullthrower

Why this article is written for aerobic athletes it may salient for us throwers.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2010/09/08/milk-really-does-body-good-especially-athletes/

published at Sep 9th 2010 1:09am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Bill

I drink milk after every workout. I usually just buy a half gallon and down it shortly after a workout. Milk has natural sugars, some ions (Na+ Cl- K+, etc), vitamins and minerals, and a bunch of protein. Its also pretty cheap in comparison to other drinks/supps. I'm surprised more people don't drink it after a workout, instead of gatorade.

published at Sep 9th 2010 1:31am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Tony Dziepak

Martin, I would love to get the complete results of Christian Erb's meet series and other such meets with the steinstossen, #56 weight throw, and other oddball events. I have used the Wayback Machine Internet archive at

http://wevb.archive.org

to view the meet webpage. The original server was at:

http://www.access.ch/private-users/dhaenni/stone.html

And later was moved to:

http://www.weltklasseamrhein.ch

The last meet was in 2001. However, not all the pages and results were archived on this server.

I know Lance Deal exceeded George Frenn's official American record for the #56 weight throw, but I don't know if it was ever ratified. The #56 weight throw is a peculiar event--it is still on the books as an official US championship and record event, but it specifies that it is not an event to be contested at the USATF champs--but a championship may be held separately. Since then, the "superweight" has taken off as a masters event with championships and ratified records. Also, the superweight for nonmasters women (would be #35) was never added although I know Dawn Ellerbe competed in the event at Weltklasse am Rhein.

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published at Sep 9th 2010 2:08am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Tony Dziepak

When I was in college I was into protein powders, but now I drink slightly soured (clabbered) raw milk. When you sour raw milk, the bacteria digest some of the lactose into lactic acid which reduces the stress on the pancreas. I keep my gallons of raw milk refrigerated, pour a pint of milk in a glass and stir in a teaspoon of a good quality plain yogurt as an inoculant, then let it sit out in a warm place loosely covered. It's ready when it slightly thickens 8-24 hrs depending on the temperature.

published at Sep 9th 2010 2:14am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from jason

lactose is a sugar..but its a slower digesting sugar right? i've always understood that you want a faster digesting carb post-workout...

published at Sep 9th 2010 2:55am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from jayess

Chocolate milk gives you the optimal 3:1 - 4:1 carb to protein ratio. It will give you a good insulin response that will rush the protein right into your system.

published at Sep 9th 2010 3:07am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Norm Balke

Tony after I read that I thought I would barf. I think I stick with beer and chips.

nb

published at Sep 9th 2010 3:34am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from jefferyw

insulin responds to both protein and sugars.

published at Sep 9th 2010 5:17am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Widrig

Martin actually began the Steinsossen event before decending from Olympus to join the mortals of earth as an international tax attorney. Back then it was known as, "making it rain".

Make it rain, make it rain.

published at Sep 9th 2010 5:27am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from bingisser

Christian Erb is getting me some documents. All of his files are on paper and not the computer, but I'll see what I can get and try to get some stuff online.

published at Sep 9th 2010 7:27am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Hank Slam

.....to look at Old Time Strongmen/lifters of the pre-roid era. Its this topic of drinking MILK that brought me full circle to articles I used to read about training and nutrition based in the early 1950's. We should also look at exercises and repetition schemes combined with periods of rest that a generation previous to us had pioneered. It has been long ago forgotten as PED's entered the mix. Things like dessicated liver tablets, Brewers yeast, and powdered milk may still have merit today!

A look back in time may yield some valuable gems of information from athletes of the past. Perhaps someone here on the ring as access to this kind of information.

Ron McKee

published at Sep 9th 2010 3:50pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Brad Reid

I suppose most of you know that you can go to Google Trends, put in a name, an event, or some search item, then see a chart of Internet activity "hitting" on it. Too, it tells you where the hits come from, geographically, that sort of thing.

Well, I thought that of our throwing community, the highest name recognition would be from our shot putters: Adam Nelson, Reese Hoffa and Christian Cantwell.

So, interestingly, for Reese and Christian, the region where most of the Google searches on them originate is . . . Finland.

For Adam, who has been around longer and has more Olympics under his belt, his list is more extensive. Adam's #1 region is New Zealand, then USA, then Finland, Australia, Canada, the U.K., Sweden, Poland, etc.

City wise, Adam gets lots of searches from Minneapolis, then Boston, then New York. Christian gets lots of searches from Missouri.

Sort of cool stats.

Brad

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published at Sep 9th 2010 7:04pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from N2THROS

"It was an (option)- (...quart of "Power" Milk- "Mix" not Milk to make a quart not qurt. "Throwing" not theorwing. I am usually a better speller. Old fingers, arthritis and shortened finger have created problems over the years. Will promise to do better in the future when I send a message. Thanks C.B. Nebraska - N2thros

published at Sep 9th 2010 7:51pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from cvalle

I would say that all in all arguably Wolfgang Schmidt was the best technician in the discus throw throughout all the other athletes I've watched. What do you guys think?

published at Sep 9th 2010 8:24pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from wrucky

I don't agree or disagree I think that we have different definitions on how the definition of technique relates to discus. An active definition of technique being ofcourse "The way that something is performed." How do you think that this definition relates to discus?

published at Sep 9th 2010 8:50pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Tony Dziepak

I grew up on Safeway's Lucerne old "Two Ten" milk, which was 2% fat milk with additional nonfat milk solids added to bring up the protein to 10 grams per 8 oz. and also give it a richer mouthfeel.

From there, it was Carnation Instant Breakfast, Chocolate flavor. To add additional protein and vitamins into my milk, as a substitute for real food.

Then I had to get "Tiger Milk" a protein powder to gain weight for high school football.

Then other brands of whey protein in college.

Then there was the post-collegiate Myoplex phase, including the meal replacement powders and Phosphagen creatine.

Then cost-cutting led to generic creatine and cheaper GNC Whey protein during grad school.

Convenience played a role in the switch from protein powders to protein bars during working years.

Then a movement away from supplements toward more natural foods, and raw milk as a masters thrower.

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published at Sep 9th 2010 9:18pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Bogdan Poprawski

I know that it is just a "hook", but, temporarily, I have nothing better to do ...

Wolfgang Schmidt is technically -one of the best in the world.
His movement, biomechanically speaking, is pretty sound and with his relatively short arms 71m + is not too shabby.
Then you have John Powell - quite different style of his technique, smaller, slower and weaker thrower - throwing 71+ as well.
There could be lots of comparisons like that - so .... tough to say who is the best.

In my opinion Schult is the best, because he threw 74.08m.

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published at Sep 9th 2010 9:19pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Brad Reid

Schmidt was an excellent technician.

All of us can cobble together interesting pieces or actions making up a great throw.

Lars Riedel for "wideness" in his throws, both arm and leg action as a non-reverser.

L. Jay Silvester and Mac Wilkins for a tie in right leg action coming out of the back of the ring.

Wilkins for his high chest and tall posture at the moment of release.

Bugar and Oerter for the damned strongest arms in the discus throw, one a non-reverser the other a reverser.

Schult for the best separation I think I have ever seen.

Alekna for the most impressive physical specimen to throw the discus.

Fazekas for the most violent, off-balance attack across the ring that got pulled all together at the end for huge throws.

Powell for speed across the ring.

Gerd Kanter does almost everything really well with great release angles.

Put it all together... 80 meters.

Brad

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published at Sep 9th 2010 9:22pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from tomsonite

While I'm not saying Schult is one of the all-time great discus throwers and technicians, I don't think you can conclude he's the best ever because of his WR. He himself said in an interview after that meet that he just caught a lucky gust of wind on that throw, and added something like "please don't expect me to throw this every time." He also only threw over 70m one other time in his career. Maybe he is the best technician ever anyway, but his 74.08 was a freak throw that I don't think you can really count in matters like this.

published at Sep 9th 2010 9:32pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/