"The Ring" archive entries from Aug 29th 2010

  • Quote from w8coach

    This is just more political rhetoric. YTou are not doing your job is you can't make those types of strength gains on freshman. I think 500 out of HS just strengthens the case opposite of yours. Not a good example to preach upon.
    It is so easy for you to hide specifics with generalities. Who's the master of technique? Tell me specifics of why they are master.
    Listen carefully, how do you explain,specifically, how yesterday's 450 bp ,dirty, and todya''s 650 clean are explainable? 200 pound gain in virtually the same time span and you can just write it off to the great programs of today? Share them with the rest of us. Let others try these methods and see if they get the same results.

    published at Aug 29th 2010 7:18pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from w8coach

    Adam,
    I'm truly sorry you are going to bough out of this discussion. As you said origianlly you are the elite thrower with the facts, we want the facts.
    I believe taht your last line is the biggest truth you've told and I agree 150%. Why hasn't this happened? My gut belief and not one has presented one piece of factual information since we began this topic, is that the technique has hit a wall and it is not being knocked down. It has been skirted.
    Some are gifted to play basketball baseball, etc. Most would love to be pros but don't have the ability, so agree here. It is not enough to generalize to say this is the difference in the throws and weightroom numbers. No evidence other tahn words. Who are the technique masters tath make the right moves? Explain adn show why. That's what we need is a place to begin.
    Mic

    published at Aug 29th 2010 7:30pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from jucs

    "even raw lifts are way better than they were 20 years ago because the barriers have already been broken"

    No, they are not. In fact, raw lifting even for competitions is just returning to the limelight. Now you have guys who can't do crap without their equipment.

    Have you ever competed in powerlifting? Follow the sport? I have and been doing so since 1982.

    published at Aug 29th 2010 8:18pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Aug 29th 2010 8:37pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from Coach Rodney

    John Smith said this, "Only the most talented can master technique. !" and in most cases this is where we see the better throwers. We have talked about 1 turn, 2 turn in DT and SP and I thought about this that some on here, who enjoy throwing any of the implements, I feel they need to have some type of talent to get good to great distances. Besides Talent, Time and effort are added to that, desire and want, and knowledge. If you were around 50 years ago, it was hard to get any information about the throws. Today, just open the Ring for one, and you get info!

    published at Aug 29th 2010 8:47pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from jucs

    Hey, it's not that easy! :) You have to drop some serious cash for the shirt and then there's a lot of specific technique and shirt fitting, bench shirt grooves, etc.

    Besides, you'll just need to come a few inches short of lockout and have a spotter take the bar and it will be considered a "good lift". And, it's really a belly push now with the shirts.

    It will amaze you when you put 500lbs on the bar and try to lower it and you can't get it to your chest due to the shirt! :)

    published at Aug 29th 2010 8:49pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Aug 29th 2010 9:57pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
  • Quote from w8coach

    I just can't picture a mundane 400bp. I know one lifting program is better than another, but it's hard to believe that we are seeing taht much of a difference.
    We lifted all year long at varying degree in HS. A 300bp was a huge accomplishment. Since human beings are the same size, I don't see that changing things. As I eluded to before, strength is the reason for the tech breakdown. I mean that strength is vitally important for controlling one's COG and resisting the forces generated by the movmeent. It has gotten to be a quick fix. Rush to the 4, 5, 6oo bp and that is instant success when the truth is in the movement. If you want to convince me , show the perfection in the movement now or it must not exist. I have my susspicions but will gladly except a new truth, if one is provided.

    published at Aug 29th 2010 10:02pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Aug 29th 2010 10:21pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from Kap

    experience.
    In 1974 about 12 of the U of NC track team, myself included, were invited to a pretty big meet in Mexico City. We all stayed in the Olympic Village from the 1968 Games and the path to the closest pharmacy was still worn down to bear ground 6 years after the Games. That must have been some serious profit making for that shop!!!

    published at Aug 29th 2010 10:33pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from nellie

    Maybe I live in a world freaks. Never thought about it like that, but I see quite a few 400lb bps every year at the high schools and colleges I visit. And the number seems to be trendin upwards from my observation. Of course my college friends used to say I went to high school at the hall of justice. In a class of 130 we had 10 or so kids bench over 315lbs.

    Even Thorkledson has Becker 400lbs and he's a javelin thrower. ;)


    published at Aug 29th 2010 10:38pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from 70footer

    congrats to Reese on his recent success against Cantwell...the best thing for someone with Christians record of achievements is to have a competitor to push him...I've always thought the only way we will see a world record is if a thrower of Christians stature is PUSHED to the limit by another world class thrower at the limit. ...or will it be the other way around?

    published at Aug 29th 2010 11:16pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Aug 29th 2010 11:57pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from Gary Cooper

    I took a 10# indoor shot into work one day.we had a guy that was a 430 bencher, in a t shirt, no bench shirt with over a 500# squat, also no suit. He weighed 238# at 6-0. He couldn't throw the 10# shot to the 40' line. best was 38-10.
    On another note....Al also had a 365 MPR. I think that is more impressive than a 400+bpr. Must of been as he threw 70' at that point.It's in the S&H Issue. If we're looking for something in print.

    published at Aug 30th 2010 12:56am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

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