"The Ring" archive entries from Aug 27th 2010

Quote from Coach Rodney

I didn't ask you to answer what I wrote before. But your answers to the words I put out are interesting. What I said is this. 1 or 2 months is not enough time to get your 2 turn tech to the point where your going to throw your best throws. Those words I used, Mind, Strength speed, so on and on, are things I think the thrower needs to be successful. I don't mind meters. I was looking at knowing more about you. Where your from for one. two, What is your background in the throw? And where are you at now? smile

published at Aug 27th 2010 9:52pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Norm Balke

I met him once. In 83 or 84, the Hawkeyes were training at UCSB and the coach set up a meeting of him and some mid 50 shotputters from Iowa. It was an afternoon I will never forget. He was still in his prime and he was huge and moved like a cat. He emphasized the feet, turning the feet, drill over and over.

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published at Aug 27th 2010 9:55pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Bogdan Poprawski

I have been reading all the posts (you never know what can one come up with : )) and I agree with Viking 100% or almost 100% and you are #2 on my list. I don't know you, but from your writing - I like you already : )

As to this math - it is actually pretty simple:
r - the distance from the axis of rotation tp the centre of mass of the "things". It can be the arm or leg or combination of masses.
In discus and shot - we actually deal mostly with left arm and right leg.
The axis of rotation goes through left foot and left shoulder.
The centre of mass will be somewhere around left elbow when the arm is straight and kept on the shoulder lever. The centre of mass for the right leg is somwhere around the knee when sweeping wide at the entry.
Goinf wide with lt arme and right leg we create huge momentum of inertia that is gradually transformed into angular velocity:
1. when placing right foot in the middle of the circle;
2. when bringing left straight arm to the chest.
These are two most natural ways of angular accelarating in rotary techique (disc and spin shot).
As you mentioned earlier - exactly like these figure skaters.
Now - holding left arm straight will delay the upperbody , which we need for tha "pre-stretch" before final exposion.
I believe that we are actually talking about the same thing, just slightly differently.
Importnant: if the thrower is being slow and lazy with the left leg, he/she wil "cancel" that possible acceleration in the middle of the circle. The left foot must go quicly towards left buttick to ovid building the left leg momentum of inertia. Something like Art Burns used to do.

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published at Aug 27th 2010 11:13pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from wrucky

Kapt, I would definately do this if my left knee was good. when I get to a certain angle i get sharp pains in it (I am getting surgery after the competition) so I have to stay relatively upright, otherwise I think you are spot on. I make up for bending my legs by leaning forward with my torso. As for the right foot, yeah I think you might be right but I have not thought much about it's relation to the 2turn, thanks for the tips. And LOL about meters and aussies, I don't mind using any system of measurement as long as communication is efficient.

w8coach, ok I will try to send it to you. I thought the same thing until I tried it, I need to kind of sit back a tiny bit

Norm I will try a 3 turn this sounds like a good training idea. As for going slow, I'm not too sure, i usually get a lot of speed out of the back, even in a 1-turn, I'm confident that the best option is to go almost full speed the whole time and depending on my consistency, I may change it to slow down, thanks for your tips.

Coach Rodney, I just figured you wanted to know about these things cause you asked me about me being an athlete etc. Well you know where I am from, right now I'm at Texas Tech, and my background in throwing: Threw in high school just in the comps and gradually got better until my last 2 years I started training regularly. After high school I trained really hard with the 2kg for 6 months and then went to Texas Tech. I am just starting my 2nd year at Texas Tech. What about you where are you from etc..

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published at Aug 28th 2010 12:17am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/