"The Ring" archive entries from Aug 27th 2010

These are the posts from "The Ring" archive on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/ from day Aug 27th 2010

Quote from bigb

Why so negative?

Can't people try and experiment?

Isn't that how throwing has evolved or do we still mimic the style of those from the very beginning?

published at Aug 27th 2010 1:38am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Bogdan Poprawski

didn't Dave Weill try for a long while this two turns and finally gave up?
Maybe it is a good idea to ask him? He won bronze in Tokyo 64 but with one turn.

published at Aug 27th 2010 2:01am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Rodney

Negative, closed minded, Not! Telling you all that taking on a 2 turn technique throw would take time, alot of time. Is that negative? Putting in another turn, closed minded? So my question to both of you ? Would you both want to do this tech? my answer, great, next Question? Why? What is your thinking on the pluses of the 2 turn? Then my question is what do you throw from the front/stand? What is your throw with the full throw....1 turn? What have you thrown from the 2 turn? When I see the results then we can talk more. Many throwers lose out of the back of the ring and the orbit. Balance in important. closed minded.......lol

published at Aug 27th 2010 2:30am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from FDthrower

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh50gF5l0dw

published at Aug 27th 2010 2:32am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from bigb

Thanks for not answering my questions by the way.

You didn't really give any good reasons why NOT try it. Unless you were just trying to let your smug attitude to do the explaining for you.

Either way not very effective.

published at Aug 27th 2010 2:59am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from wrucky

I am currently training with a 2-turn and have been for about 3 weeks, I have a competition in a little over a month where I plan to use it. I will tell you the results as you wish. Don't laugh at other people's ideas, we are trying to throw far isn't that's why we talk on this forum? If you think an idea will not be productive then politely tell this person of your theories as to why you don't think it would help, otherwise, please don't speak, because then you are holding back the sport from progressing.

published at Aug 27th 2010 3:12am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from D.Adamek

W8, who do you feel are the best technicians ever? You clearly state that they have retired. I have watched some video and have my own thoughts. Some are from the present era, some are not.
In regards to state of the art drugs that can be easily masked, etc.

published at Aug 27th 2010 4:25am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Viking

"Do you think that Godina would have thrown 22.21 gliding? "

---I'm in no position to assume he would or that he wouldn't .Judging by the fact that he had a very good coach and that indeed he glided during practice sessions,i believe that he must have used what suited him best,the technique he could throw more with.
He definitely was a top end thrower capable of achieving this.


"Secondly, who said that Majewski is on drugs?"

---It is a sure assumption about what was said here,that a 22m glide needs this and that and all those needed depend on drug use.Certainly it wasn't me that implied any of this.


"One thing to note is that he is not 6

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published at Aug 27th 2010 5:17am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from UK_thrower

C.R, I understand what your saying about the 2 turn technique, but I literally tried it first time while warming up and threw further.
I threw in the full comp and added a full metre

published at Aug 27th 2010 9:10am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Hammerboy

The 2 turn discus technique seems very similar to the 2 turn 28lb weight throw in highland games....

published at Aug 27th 2010 11:39am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from throwfarusa

it caused balance issues and the loss of orbit....I got that out of his reply, you didn't? (Coach R)

So if someone could throw the cartwheel shot 60 are we suposed to jump in and see if cartwheeling throgh the ring is viable? I agree, I really don't ever see a 2 turn disc catching the main stream. As with anything I suppose you might gain a minimul distance but I just cant see the balance being achieved and still being able to throw 70+.

published at Aug 27th 2010 2:53pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Rodney

Both of you are a "Thorn in someone side!" to several on here. Guess you both want to learn and take this event to the next level. I say go for it. experiment like others have before. Now I know from experience over the last few weeks that both of you will be all over this! I can't wait. I want to see what both of you say. To say you throw with a 2 turn should be interesting to your friends! Hopefully you will have good balance and be able to keep the balance on the left out of the back, (thats if your a right hand thrower), that you can increase the speed in the drive across the ring, and that the orbit goes in the right direction.

Thanks for not answering my questions by the way.

You didn't really give any good reasons why NOT try it. Unless you were just trying to let your smug attitude to do the explaining for you.

Either way not very effective.

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published at Aug 27th 2010 3:43pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Norm Balke

I have been following the various "discussions" with great interest. I think it has been a healthy exchange of ideas, although the name-calling and personal attacks I could do without. I just hope we don't have "I have had it, this is my last post on The Ring" frustrations!

Technique: I could be wrong, but I will venture that if you were to read and follow w8coach's philosophies on technique, you would find more real-life examples of discus throwers than rotational shotputters. The "sweep the left, wrap in the middle" just doesn't happen as often in real life examples of discus throwers. My humble opinion is that the requirements of the shot are such that the technique has evolved in to something different than discus. The disc is at arm's length, it is relatively light, it is slightly aerodynamic. The shot is close to your body, it is relatively heavy, and not aerodynamic.

nb

published at Aug 27th 2010 3:46pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Rodney

I hit the wrong key! I wasn't finished! The questions that bigb asked I didn't answer them?
Thought I did. Oh well! Maybe I will answer this way. If you or both of you want to throw with the 2 turn! Go for it! Hope you improve your PR's. My question is this. How good of athletes are you both? Do you have the time to put into getting good results from the 2 turn. Can you put on 10-20-30 more feet with the second turn?
Are these questions negative? Speaking of answering questions? you both didn't answer mine. What do you throw from the stand?
What do you throw from the full throw?
What do you throw from the 2 turn?
and What is your goal with the 2 turn?

Lets see some results.

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published at Aug 27th 2010 3:57pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from wrucky

Sorry if I am a thorn in people's side.

How good of athletes are you both?
I dunno depends hoe you grade athletes, I don't think this question is entirely relevant

Do you have the time to put into getting good results from the 2 turn?
I think so, I have been throwing with it for 3 weeks and have another 5-6 seeks to get it together, I think that I can

Can you put on 10-20-30 more feet with the second turn?
I don't know, but I think that it will be somewhat further

Are these questions negative?
no, they are just questions

What do you throw from the stand?
I haven't done a standing throw in almost a year now so I am not sure

What do you throw from the full throw?
My average throw last season was about 57-58

What do you throw from the 2 turn?
So far I am a little under my regular-throw average, i am throwing around 55's and 56's, however I usually throw a little further in competition so this is just an indication

What is your goal with the 2 turn?
To throw further than I have with the regular throw and increase my average throw by a few meters

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published at Aug 27th 2010 4:42pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Rodney

The first question? How good of an athlete are you. YOU SAY "I DON'T THINK THIS QUESTION IS ENTIRELY RELEVANT?" I Think it is. To Throw the discus, you need to be a good athlete. In many ways. Mind, Strength, Speed, Coordination, flexibility and much more.
I don't thinks 1 or 2 months is enough time to perfect this technique.
Your one who doesn't believe in standing throws? See I do.
When you answer your questions they are in meters. So do you live outside of the US?

published at Aug 27th 2010 5:17pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Norm Balke

Drug testing: I am not an expert, but I do know that giants walked the earth in the 80s. There was no drug testing when I was throwing between 1982-1986. There were some freakish looking people walking around. At least at the Big 10 level. When drug testing picked up in 1987 - go look at the stats at the collegiate level; people disappeared!

There may be the same drug wars going on now as in 1987, but at the lower levels, I think there may be less going on as the more marginal thrower is less likely to mess around with drugs, since there is more testing. I could get hooked up no problem back in 1985, and I wouldn 't have to worry about getting testing unless I got up to the national/international level. So maybe some folks back in 1987 may make it to "the bigs" after some pharmaceuticals from they were younger and untested, would not make progress now because of more rigorous testing at younger ages. Hope this makes sense.

Also, to see if there has been progress in the throwing events, maybe a better measure may be how many throwers are over some distance, say 60' in mens shot. Statistically, only going by the top 10 throwers may not be a significant enough number; maybe by coincidence there are 10 outliers.

Another difference between 1987 and now is that TnFs popularity keeps dropping. That discussion is for another day.

nb

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published at Aug 27th 2010 6:30pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from D.Adamek

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published at Aug 27th 2010 6:33pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from w8coach

Two question before I give my opinion.
1. Does a long left arm indeed slow the UB down when spinning?

published at Aug 27th 2010 6:38pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/