"The Ring" archive entries from Jul 1st 2010

    published at Jul 1st 2010 3:44am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from w8coach

    Slthough I agred with your original position on your tech observationsIn your defense, I think you are trying to bring to light the tech flaws that are common at all levels and want to make a change. I agree that direct comparisons can be made. I just don't believe that a certain harshness in comparisons is going to get us any closer to the throwing truths.
    Mic

    published at Jul 1st 2010 5:33pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from jefferyw

    Even though many of those guys are elite athletes, I believe it was the adrenaline and possibility of sheer nervousness that took them over. A lot of them were drifting towards the left coming out of the back and that tends to happen to a lot of rotational throwers when they get nervous. It's an adrenaline thing that makes them forget about the "refined" movement patterns. In my opinion, its just human nature. It happens to the best of us.

    P.S. Many of them are still quite young too, so gaining enough experience until they feel adequately comfortable in the ring is a long road they have left to travel.

    published at Jul 1st 2010 6:09pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from smach

    Most, if not all of these throwers have competed at high levels in the NCAA, World, and Olympic competition. So I dont buy the nerves part. The harshness of my statement reflects only my love for this country and a sport that is dwindling in the eyes of our very own country. My being critical comes from wanting us to be the best and not settling for a 72 and 73 foot throws. Wouldnt you be tired of seeing this and look to make a change for the better in something? Or is it more important to stay low and consistent to collect that check. If you throw 70 in a major or granf prix youre making some good money. But dont people want to push the bar. I know I mentioned Christian, having the upmost respect for his accomplishments, but I am sorry, I didnt see strain on his face one bit when it came to USA's. The week before he threw 73+ and kind of looked like he was trying. I dont know, maybe its me, but this may be the best year as far as depth that we've ever had. But before anyone pops the cork on London, they better go back in time and assume its not safe.

    published at Jul 1st 2010 6:55pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from jefferyw

    Look, I'm not trying to start an argument with you here, but if you don't buy the nerves part then please, tell me what you are smoking.

    If you truly believed its not nerves then why isnt cantwell bombing 75's and why isnt our world record any higher now than it was 20 years ago? seriously man. we are human beings and no matter what, there will always be nerves to deal with. It's in our nature and biological makeup.

    published at Jul 1st 2010 7:06pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from smach

    Hes the defending world champion!!! Multi time usa and world indoor champion. Do you think he he gets nervous about USA's in Drake in a non-championship year? Please!! These guys are accomplished athletes. Its not like people like Taylor, Nelson, Hoffa, etc have never been in a big competition. They see each other everytime they compete.

    published at Jul 1st 2010 7:16pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from jefferyw

    Smach, you have to remember though that even though they are elite athletes, they are still people like you and me. And that entitles them to the same biological setbacks such as nerves. Just because he's been in multiple competitions doesn't mean that there aren't any nerves left to deal with. Anyone would be nervous if the competition was stacked so high like it was at USAs

    published at Jul 1st 2010 7:43pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from Mr.Incredible

    The USA may have the most depth in the shot but unfortunately we can't take a B team to London, and only the top three are going. What's tougher the Olympic trials or the Olympics? We are so deep that our top throwers have to peak for the trials, then have to re peak 6 to 8 weeks later. Then you have those guys in other countries that have those long last names that starts with an "M", and all they have to worry about is peaking for that one meet. There is no easy way around it. Sometimes we leave our best throwers at home based on the trials. Example was Cantwell in 2004. Best in the world that year but stayed home for the big show. I guess its a good problem to have.

    My prediction. The spin will rule in London and take the top three spots. Cantwell, Whiting, and Nelson for one last trip up the podium

    published at Jul 1st 2010 8:11pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from GOKats

    That is an interesting point about having to train for the meet that decides who goes to the bigger meet. What about the situation of Breaux Greer in '08 where he was on the olympic team after finishing with a 67m throw at trials? Not that there is an easy answer to this problem, but would it make a difference in the standings at the games if our best throwers knew they had it in the bag and could train on a longer cycle? I guess our depth could be viewed as a blessing and a curse.
    At the same time, someone who throws far on the day of the trials should be rewarded for their effort. It wouldn't be much of a meet if every potential underdog knew they had no shot.

    published at Jul 1st 2010 9:53pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

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