"The Ring" archive entries from Feb 26th 2010

  • Quote from jayess

    You are correct that knowing those variables will allow you to calculate the distance the implement travels, but only if the implement is a shot put. (Because a discus is also greatly influenced by lift.) And knowing release velocity, release angle, etc with any precision is difficult at best, and virtually impossible from a single-camera video. So I'm guessing they didn't have that data.

    I would bet that what they did is measure how far it was to the point on the hill where it landed, and then estimate how far it would have gone had the hill not been there. That estimate might have been a good one, or not. I would really be interested in knowing how far it was to the point on the hill where it hit though. If it was around 70m, that 74.67 estimate would have been pretty believable. Since they didn't disclose that number all we have is a claim by a guy with a funny accent that a 40 year old man who in his prime never threw 70m, suddenly ripped off a 74.67.

    I'm calling BS on this one.

    published at Feb 26th 2010 12:06am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Feb 26th 2010 12:26am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from Kap

    Some years ago, when I was recommended for the High Performance javelin position w/ USATF, I had to meet & speak with L. Jay Silvester, who was the throws chair at the time.
    He asked me to drive him to the airport (he was headed back to Provo to play in his church basketball league) and while we rode he told me of a day when he was driving from Provo to a meet in Cali. On some deserted highway taking him to the meet there was quite a steady wind: when he saw a steel 55 gal barrel fly across the road about 5 ft in the air he stopped and watched it. It never landed while it was in sight! Jay parked his car, put on his shoes and started throwing off the highway into the wind so as to take advantage of the natural "wind tunnel". At a time when the WR was less than 66m he has numerous throws between 71-75m. He spoke quite affectionately of that session on some desert highway.
    Ne never made it to the meet.... "How could I top that day?"

    published at Feb 26th 2010 2:36am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from ABG

    I saw Al's PR throw in Wichata, there was a great wind and his long time partner and throwing rival Art Schwartz had just PRed by a mile, when I looked at Al it was clear that his next throw was going over 221 plus period.

    The video doesn't match my memory of his PR which was in stellar conditions and at considerably less distance. I have a good idea where this estimate was pulled out of.

    He is missed.

    published at Feb 26th 2010 3:01am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from Peter Lonsdale

    Don't know anything about the wind etc. Story I heard is that he was on a tennis court, threw it onto a hill, the base of which was 66m away. The discus landed 4m up the hill. Sounds like over 70m to me. As for 74m, who knows? Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Would it have been less than 72m? Comp or not it was a great throw. The man was nearly 47 at the time.

    published at Feb 26th 2010 6:08am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Feb 26th 2010 1:55pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from coacht

    I am a track coach in Rhode Island and have created a website called throwincollege.com (also runincollege.com and jumpincollege.com) It is a searchable database of every outdoor NCAA conference championship in the country. It is designed so high school kids can compare their performances to college athletes and help them decide where, and if, they can compete in college.

    In order for it to work, we've tried to account for the weight difference of implements between high school and college. I know there is no formula, but with Bob Gourley's help, I've come up with these rough guidelines.


    published at Feb 26th 2010 2:34pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from ABG

    I am not saying that throw was not as far as it was claimed to be and yes it looked like one of Al's better throws, however throwing in a depression, at a hill and having this type of video coverage at the time coverage is not as ubiquidos as it is now, does naturally raise an eyebrow, not at Al but at the programs producer.

    I have thrown at the ring in Chicago that Big O threw his discus and have had the story confirmed by two people who were there that it was a once in a lifetime throw that caught a high sharp Chigago wind and launched almost horizionatlly over the wrought iron fence and bounced off the top of a CTA bus .

    published at Feb 26th 2010 2:38pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from w8coach

    I have to agree with Brad and Gary on these points. the one caveat is that these big throws are believable and a reality. In the old days Reno,Nevada used to have the best wids . They originated in the west and came roaring through the I-80 corridor. The old UNR ring was perfectly situated to take advantage of these winds.Just ask LJ about his use of the ring. Frequent calls from Squaw Valley for wind reports at UNR that often produced hurried car trips to Reno. In the early 80's Mike Weeks was the coach at UNR and still competing himself. On a windy afternoon he enjoyed their benefits. The old field house was at the end of the sector, on the middle left portion at about 220'. Mike threw several throws that not only landed on top of this building but two or three that went completly over the building. Easily 245-250". It was never talked about outside our little circle due to the unbelievable nature and distance of these throws. To this day, only our circle of throwers and coaches will discuss it due to these distances thrown. We always shared the quality of the wind conditions but never talked about how far Mike threw. If you know Mike, he isn't one for the spotlight.

    published at Feb 26th 2010 3:14pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from GOKats

    I was thinking about the flexibility required for curling, and the throw itself really brings to mind the old stlye split snatch in weightlifting. Also consider the precision to accuratley throw a rock with about the density of a shot put and stop it on ice. Not exactly the explosive speed that we are accustomed to in our arena, but still an athletic challenge nonetheless.

    published at Feb 26th 2010 5:05pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Feb 26th 2010 6:03pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

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