Quote from jason
by no means am i qualified to answer this really, but i guess i can have an opinion...from what i've read, i think everyone who has voiced their opinion has a valid point or two.
i agree with what adam and wruck were both saying in that, 1) the world record holders found the best way to throw, obviously, because they hold the world records, and 2) everyone is different.(at least thats the way i read it)
with that said, i think a common ground can be found between those two perspectives and agree that those world record throws contain a few things that absolutely must be done to be successful(things complying with laws of physics and such), but at the same time incorporate differences that mold perfectly to each thrower's physical characteristics...which is what we do as throwers and throws coaches, like coach B said.
again, i'm not much of an expert, but that was just floating around in my head..
published at Jan 26th 2010 12:16am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from jayess
Some guys do. That's what keeps the dream alive.
A few years ago I had back-to-back throws in practice that were 5 meters beyond my PR, and 5 meters beyond anything I've done since.
It was a high I can't describe.
published at Jan 26th 2010 1:44am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Big Adam
I have had the same experience. My meet PR was 57' with a few warm-ups and practice throws in the 58'-59'. I went into our conference meet in the best shape of my life and my last warm-up before finals was over 61'. It was my only perfect throw ever as I was totally capable of keeping it in the circle and it was competely effortless. I still kick myself to this day for taking that one last warm-up.
published at Jan 26th 2010 2:06am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from jayess
Has anybody else out there felt it...if even briefly?
Personally, I think it's more addictive than an drug could ever be.
published at Jan 26th 2010 2:48am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from ABG
I will never achieve a perfect throw if such a thing exists. But as always, I will get as close as I can, every time I can, when ever I can, in the shape I am in, and thats about as much as you can expect.
published at Jan 26th 2010 4:05am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from C. Ryan
I searched, but couldn't find this post from Tom Pukstys in the archives. I had this post on my wall for years in college, and I've read it a hundred times. So many great points here:
I have responded to a few post recently and I wanted for everyone to understand something. Many people ask about
supplements and training patterns and always wonder about any secrets. Well, I don't personally know any secrets to big
throws. I accepted responsibility for technical and physical traits all top guys had, and went after it. I either had to do them or fail.
As for diet and supplements I also feel things get overrated on their effectiveness. I believe you can take more credit yourself for big changes in your physical and technical abilities. If you gained weight and got strong, it is most likely from hard work and
The main difference between myself and most others is my consistency. And I mean everywhere. (Ask my training partners, Taylor, Woosley, Sagnella) I was able to get good early, then dedicated my life to training and throwing. My gains came from
creating a training environment and sticking with it for a long, long time. I feel like all of you can analyze your gains by looking at the small things you did surrounding it. I would bet that at the time of a performance gain you ate, and slept better, not just loaded creatine.
I have lived a lifestyle for the last 12 years that is totally dictated by my desire to perform. I eat, sleep, train, rest, and protect my psychological sanity, in ways that enhance my throwing. I don't do this part time, or for 6 weeks like a Rocky movie. I do
this about 11 months a year. Hell even when I rest I am active and still watch what I eat. For example, I look at food like fuel. I tend to eat things on my plate separately, and with no extra sauce or salt or whatever. I take skin off my chicken. My mother
always wonders why I eat like that. I realize I am thinking about how my body process it, not how good it tastes.
I like to go to sleep at the same time each night to keep me in rhythm. I get a kick out of it when I can do this for up to 5 or 6 weeks in a row. Then I know I have given my body constant pressure, and from there it can do things that freak you out. I can
throw far because I do many things, that others won't commit to.
I don't like to miss workouts, when I am sick. Especially if I am on a roll. To me sick is 103 fever, and I crap water, or vomit.
Then I miss training. A sore throat or runny nose doesn't even get my recognition.
Over the years of doing this, I have come to the belief that you have more to do in your progress than you believe. Those of you who think drugs are the answer can't fathom the commitment requirements, and so since they can't believe it, then of course drugs must be needed to throw far. Well, usually talent, and an internal mental focus make it happen, not drugs. Although they will help a lot.
So, on your next push for improvement challenge yourself on small things. Like going to sleep on time, not drinking the beer, or even stop chasing tail. You can find time for all of that when you need it. Eat better each day for about 6 weeks, then you will see the result. A week or two doesn't cut it. People tend to be weak in this country and feel like you need to be rewarded after a tough day. Like eat that chocolate cake, or pizza. Turn that reward mentality from a daily basis into once every two weeks, and then you can consider yourself worldclass.
Success takes long and I mean long term commitment and punishment, and pain. This type of behavior is not normal, and that is why 85 meters isn't normal either. GET IT?
So, when you gain in performance, pat yourself in the back, creatine, or some new crazy methods aren't the reason. It was hard work, and some consistency, and talent that played the biggest role.
published at Jan 26th 2010 3:11pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from CanuckHT
I hope that anyone who thinks about posting something again about supplements or some "fad" in training that they have this posted beside their computer in hard copy and read it prior to posting.
published at Jan 26th 2010 4:11pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from GOKats
I had the pleasure of explaining to some lacrosse players last night that i would have the respect for their sport not to walk across their field during a practice, and that they at least owe us the same. I also told them that if they walked in front of my throwers again, that i wouldn't stop them from throwing. What is so hard to understand about not going into a gym when you see a practice going on?
published at Jan 26th 2010 4:14pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from CanuckHT
We have the same problem and we have barriers up so that balls and players can't come flyin' on the the trak or throwing area. This evidently doesn't change anything. What's MORE is that the bball and vball players feel free to warm up jog around the track while our sprinters and hurlders are doing their thing and our distance crew is doing a workout, we have a team of over 120 athletes in our "pool" and suffice it to say there is not much room left for them and they are completely oblivious.
I have planned (date and time TBA) to hold a throws warm up and practice on the courts (nice to turn on lol) to gauge the reaction.
Stay tuned for the results of this in depth, yet anecdotal research.
published at Jan 26th 2010 4:25pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Coach Rodney
Many years ago I was throwing at a middle school track, and I was liking this place because the wind came in from the right quarter, like about 2 o'clock if your throwing to 12! It was a nice setting and I was happy with my throws when out of the blue came this white round object, bouncing on the ground towards the throwing area. See there was a berm around the track, no stands, but then it reminded me of the old western movies where the Indians came up over the mountains to attack the cavalry. (this is why I call soccer/football a communist sport) there must have been 50 + people of spanish decent coming walking/running/kicking balls and having no decency or respect to me already being there. They didn't have the field reserve, but nether did I. But I was there first. I politely asked a person who was running the track to call the local police department. They arrived, but by that time I was finished throwing and with the current event, I packed up my half dozen plates and moved on.
Now just think, if someone was in the landing area, walking across and got hit by your implement, What CNN or Fox News would do? or their lawyers? If its your place of training, put up a sign to cover your Rear. Have the administration know of your intentions. Throw safe and far!
published at Jan 26th 2010 5:21pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Coach Mac
Check this out for a multi trowing tool (Pud-Over weight discus- HEAVY HAMMER >----O )
Made by a thrower for throwers !
published at Jan 26th 2010 5:32pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Kap
This pretty much sums up a throwers regard for lacrosse.....
in 2000 when several elite javelin throwers (Raymond Hecht, Peter Blank, Juha Laukanen, Harri Haateinen and Mikke Ingburg) were training here in Chapel Hill for April/May. After a morning training session Raymond and a few others were relaxing with several Winstons (I've never seen people smoke so much and I live in a tobacco growing state!)when the Brown Univ lacrosse team came rolling onto the field to do a pre-game day workout. Raymond, who had never seen lacrosse before, asks me "... what is this game with the funny sticks and bird cages on your head?" I explained that it was a sport played on the east coast and he replied "I must watch this sport and learn." Less than 5 minutes later Raymond's comment: "This is not a sport, it's a waste of oxygen."
From my experience w/ lacrosse players and coaches from my first meeting with them in 1973 to the present is the vast majority are rich, spoiled a-holes who have always had their way, thanks to daddy's cash. They don't respect anyone's anything- they grew up with that attitude.
I suggest they play the game as it was originally played by the Aztecs: losers get their hearts cut out.
published at Jan 26th 2010 6:44pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from drbeaufay
Jeff hit the nail on the head about lacrosse. What is most frustrating is when you coach throws at a high school that is full of these type of kids... potential throwers who don't come out because they are too busy growing their mullets in preparation for lacrosse season. Trendy bullshit sport!
published at Jan 26th 2010 8:14pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from jayess
Nick Vena did it again. The Morristown bomber extended his US #1 mark and national junior class record in the shot put tonight with a 71-5 to highlight a remarkable series that consisted of four throws over 70 feet. The meet only permitted four throws
.Vena, who came into the meet with a national season best of 71-3 3/4 that he threw at the Morris County Championships last Wednesday, also had throws of 70-8 1/4, 70-7 3/4, and 70-0. Vena, a junior, is now exactly one foot beyond his indoor best from 2009, which came when he hit 70-5 to win the National Scholastic title last March. He has now topped 70 feet a staggering 27 times in his career.
published at Jan 26th 2010 8:25pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/