"The Ring" archive entries from Dec 29th 2009

These are the posts from "The Ring" archive on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/ from day Dec 29th 2009

Quote from jayess

I think there can little argument about the woman discus thrower of the decade. Franka Dietzsch. The funny thing is, she wuold have to be one of the contenders for the thrower of the previous decade also.

published at Dec 29th 2009 12:56am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Bassfly50

For the male thrower definately Virgilius "the machine" Alekna.

10 years of constant high level throwing including some major championship golds.

published at Dec 29th 2009 1:27am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Montana

Coach Mac,

What is the overall goal of throwing different lengths of wire & weights? Shorter wire = more speed? Heavier hammer = more puuussshhh?

Variety - balence & body control?

Thoughts???

I'm going out to throw some 35lb homemade weight right now.
8 degrees & lightly snowing

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published at Dec 29th 2009 2:00am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from bingisser

I think there are two main points to using different weight hammers:

1) Variety. Example: if you want to get better at sits ups, you would be stupid to do only sit ups in your training. If you only do sit ups, your body will adapt and plateau fairly quickly. In order to overcome the plateau, you need to alter your training to provide the body with a new stimulus. So, you mix things up and throw crunches and other core work in. When your body gets used to those, you change again and make your body continuously adapt.

You use light and heavy hammers for the same reason. It forces your body to continuously adapt to new stimuli.

2) Developing special strength and speed patterns. Throwing heavy hammers develops special strength (and so does throwing light hammers). It is an exercises that most closely mimics the competition implement. You can develop speed and strength while also working on technique.

-Martin (www.mbingisser.com)

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published at Dec 29th 2009 3:43am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Tony Dziepak

For a fixed full wire length, heavier weight is 1) exaggerated counter position and 2) slower acceleration for a given push thus more time to feel the push across the back and follow around the front.

When you go to even heavier weights and a short wire, you are now getting into specific strength since the shorter wire makes the implement faster.

Lighter than competition weights should be done with a full length wire. Lighter weights should always be used to force the body to get used to preforming good turns at a faster speed than one has done with the competition weight.

There are also drills mostly with heavier hammers, but also some with lighter hammers--especially one-handed turning winds and drills with a light hammer.

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published at Dec 29th 2009 4:02am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from BobG

U.S. HIGH SCHOOL BOYS' 25# WEIGHT THROW

NATIONAL RECORD

93

published at Dec 29th 2009 4:28am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from 1952olympian

If you must use heavy hammers use 1 lb more
than competition weight.Heavy slows you down.
You use more energy during workout.
Short wires should be avoided. They alter form in a negative way.

If you want to try turning with 5 or 8
ft.hammers your form will have to be exact.

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published at Dec 29th 2009 4:57am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from bingisser

You are right, the sit up analogy isn't the best. But I was using it for people to get an example of the bigger concept of adaptation. I didn't intend for it to show how things work in the hammer throw itself.

Hammer throwing is a skill, but it is also an exercise. If it were just a skill, technique might be enough. If it were just a skill, you are right in that plateauing wouldn't be an issue.

Unlike other skills, there is a strength element involved in the hammer throw. Dancing is a skill and you can just continuously work on one thing to improve that skill. The same goes with some sports like archery. The strength element in the hammer throw is what requires change to overcome plateaus. Even if someone has trained to the point of perfect technique, they will not be a master without also having the necessary strength to throw far. Occasional changes in training force the body to continually adapt and grow. The muscles needed to throw the hammer will also continue to grow, adding strength as the thrower perfects technique.

I think too many people think of the hammer as just a tool to acquire technique. It is also a tool that is building strength, whether you think of it that way or not.

-Martin BINGISSER (www.mbingisser.com)

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published at Dec 29th 2009 5:11am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Montana

Thanks for all the input! Good stuff. Here is a video of throwing the 35lbs weight for the 1st time since last February. Pretty sore today from skiing yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v94oc2n_E6Y

published at Dec 29th 2009 6:51am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from GBThrower

Virgilijus Alekna, no doubt. Long throws AND a great meet competitor. A good technician (if not great) and an excellent athlete. Can't ask for much more really.

published at Dec 29th 2009 7:31am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from hammer1971

Nice weight to throw next stop hit the fence!!
Did you make that weight yourself?
probably cheaper to make than buying and good for training

published at Dec 29th 2009 7:33am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from rlasorsa

January 24th
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Palatine, IL.
9 AM to 3 PM

Pre-registration:
$60.00 per athlete or coach
Postmarked no later than Saturday. January 16th, 2010

Contact:
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Harper College
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(847) 925-6464 rzellner@harpercollege.edu
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published at Dec 29th 2009 9:37am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from souththrow

Kuji Murofishi
Reese Hoffa
Adam Nelson

published at Dec 29th 2009 9:39am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from tomsonite

Yipsi Moreno in the hammer, across men and women. 2x world champion, 2x Oly silver medallist, 2x WC silver medallist. And she started it all off with 2th place at the 2000 Olympics! More medals than any other hammer thrower this decade...seems like a clear choice to me.

published at Dec 29th 2009 11:31am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from CoachRak

The 2nd Annual Rock and Roll Throw Off will take place Saturday January 23rd at Lancaster Field House, just outside of Buffalo, New York. This is a throws only meet featuring men and women of high school, colligiate, open, and masters competition in the shot put and weight throw.

Lancaster provides a state of the art field house as well as an NCAA official cage. An advanced sound system creates a LOUD atmosphere to create energy and DEEP throws, much like the Milrose Games.

Last years event brought 2004 and 2008 Olympian AG Kruger, Thomas Jacob Freeman, and #5 in the US, shot putter Sheldon Battle along with Bryan Vickers of Ashland Elite. Many high school, open, and masters athletes across Western New York competed as well as across the state and north east.

This meet is USATF certified and features USATF officials. All marks are deemed eligible by high school standards as well as IAAF sanctioned.

The meet will start at 2pm and lead into an elite competion starting promptly at 7pm.

Entries are now being accepted, $10 for Open and Masters, free for all high school competition.

For more information contact George Rak - redskinthrowers@yahoo.com

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published at Dec 29th 2009 12:14pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from UK_thrower

Agree with GBThrower, Virgilius Alekna gets my vote. Probably the best discus thrower ever

published at Dec 29th 2009 8:27pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Hunter

Alekna flirted with the WR, won a number of WC's and OG's and was without question the best discus thrower in the world for about 7-8 out of ten years

As for Moreno, I have a hard time considering her as the best thrower of the decade male or female since her event has only been contested at WC's and Olympics the past 8-9 years. We need to give some time for the women's hammer community to develop a bit more.


Case in point, Stacey Dragila dominated the women's pole vault early on but her gold medal performance in 2000 would have placed her 8th in 2008.

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published at Dec 29th 2009 9:36pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Joe

Does anyone have video of these 2 throwers they can share?
Thanks


Natalya Lisovskaya - Gabriele Reinsch

published at Dec 29th 2009 11:59pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/