"The Ring" archive entries from Sep 19th 2009

These are the posts from "The Ring" archive on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/ from day Sep 19th 2009

Quote from xailow

Looking around IAAF's site, there is nothing that says Devyatovskiy or Tikhon is banned much less that they even tested positive at the Olympics. It still shows both of them having medaled...

Guess they're "clean"?

published at Sep 19th 2009 1:46am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from muller

Here is a nutrition article I wrote on cholesterol. Feel free to check it out...it deals with training because of the importance on overall health, recovery and nervous system function.

http://www.garagestrength.com/?page_id=845

Dane
http://www.GarageStrength.com

published at Sep 19th 2009 2:04am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from skid01

I think I just got a much needed reality check.

My 76 year old workout partner called me up to say he's starting a new workout regime and needs his 56lb throwing weight back because it will be at the core of his new training system. WTF!

published at Sep 19th 2009 2:46am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from bigengineer

More power to him ... I've been trying to convince people that the 56# superweight is actually a good thing for you. Unfortunately, most just look at me like I'm deranged.

published at Sep 19th 2009 3:05am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from hammer1971

Both throwers with the help of the Belarus olympic association have hired the top British lawyer for drug testing. I think he did the Diane Modal case. so i guess their case is still pending???

published at Sep 19th 2009 3:55am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from jayess

Tell Wendell he's going to hurt himself.

published at Sep 19th 2009 4:36am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from skid01

Not Wendell P. I guess that narrows it down.

Starting to sound like a Brad Reid contest. Hmmmmmmm?

published at Sep 19th 2009 9:39am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from jayess

Had I thought harder about it, the list of 76 year-olds training with a 56 pound weight would have had only one name on it.

Have fun trying to keep up with him.

published at Sep 19th 2009 11:08am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Torque-converter

NM

published at Sep 19th 2009 12:54pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from discthrower57

Does anyone know where I can get 2.0k and 2.5k discus training balls? Thanks

Andrew

published at Sep 19th 2009 1:24pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from ZHazen

Well, now that someone has mentioned it, last news I can find says that we are indeed in for some wait while CAS makes a decision about the appeal: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/mma/01/06/belarusian-olympics.ap/index.html

Does anyone know of anything new with this case?

In the mean time, I don't feel it was fair of me to call Tsikhan a cheater. That being said, I remember Annus making a similar appeal and then not hearing anything... and as far as I know Murofushi still has the gold medal from '04. So I am extremely skeptical but suppose I will wait until we get an answer.

I think there's good reason to get upset when people give respect to cheaters. When I think about doping, I think about clean athletes who came in 9th place. What would it have meant to them to have experienced the dream of an olympic/WC/major final. Who knows how things may have turned out differently. We've seen how far Fazekas throws clean... How would things have played out if he were the clean Fazekas throwing 59-61m? Redistributing medals can't change any of that. Doping does irreversible harm to the sport and major competitions, clean athletes who work their whole lives, etc... Banned substances are rules just like any other like fouling or having a legal implement. You can question the validity of those rules or doping all you want: why is the circle that size? does it really matter if someone barely toe fouls? why do shotputters get a toe board? why does a discus have to weight 2kg? why are these substances illegal? Doesn't matter. When you show up to compete, you're agreeing to play within those rules so you can be compared to the other athletes fairly. If you don't like those rules, start a new sport. In my mind, doping is no different than firing your implement out of a cannon. You're playing by different rules, can't be compared to the set of people playing by the same rules. Congraduf*ckinglations on your dirty throw, unfortunately we're only giving gold medals to people who pass drug tests.

One other thing, this notion that dirty athletes still deserve respect for their technique? When you show up to practice everyday not tired, nervous system ready to go, stronger to move through demanding technical positions, your technique will be better. There are too many training cross-overs to isolate technique from doping.

Hannes Hopley. 8th place Athens Olympics. Only got 3 throws. Go tell him you appreciate Fazekas for his technique.

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published at Sep 19th 2009 3:01pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from bigb

lol!!...56lb weight?? Wendell is a rebel!

published at Sep 19th 2009 3:13pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from wrucky

For the decade beginning 2000 ending 2010 -
IMO:

Fazekas, Tikhon, Thorkildsen, Cantwell, Alekna, Riedel

published at Sep 19th 2009 5:47pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Kap

I've got indoor/net throwing balls in a variety of weights, including 2.5k. Look here-
http://www.javeland.com/javeland_javaccess.htm

published at Sep 19th 2009 9:02pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Rev GJ

Going out to throw with Gary Kelmenson this morning.

On Saturdays we take 6 throws with the 56,35,25, 16# hammer, 2k discus and 16# shot.

I'm 60, and Gary will be 60 shortly.

Trick with the 56, make sure you throw it or it throws you.

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published at Sep 20th 2009 12:31am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from fatboy

Any thought on what a conversion factor? I think it may be around 30 feet.

published at Sep 20th 2009 12:44am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Tony Dziepak

Rule of thumb: ones #56 distance is about 2/3 his #35 distance.

published at Sep 20th 2009 12:55am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/