Quote from phxdoc
Seems to work just fine. Sure everythings right on your end?
The Rashaud Scott throw video is really something. Great power and release speed.
published at Jun 17th 2009 1:51am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from ironman
HS Soph, Ryan, (Mitch's son) broke the Oregon HS Record in DT with 198-10 and came within inches of the SP with 67-7; both thrown over the weekend on the same day.
HS JR, Sam, (Dean's son)set the all-time American HS record in JT with a 238-11 which is also a USATF Junior (under 20) record. (HS Record is by a foreign exchange student;; Crouser's is #2).
Ironic that the throws happened at "Multiple Mac" Wilkins Concordia Throws Center; the cousins both throw DT,SP,JT. Ryan was runner up to State Champion Sam in JT.
Everyone like to talk about having the good genes-they do for sure-but these kids take thousands of throws into tarps in the fall and winter....because they like it...not because they're made to do it.
They throw and they fish....nice life.
published at Jun 17th 2009 3:13am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Bahrkie
I had the chance to throw and hang out w/ the Crouser brothers a little bit at Ironwood last year.. GREAT kids. Really fun to be around. and MONSTERS in the ring. ha
published at Jun 17th 2009 4:34am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Jud Logan
Today @ Malone College in Ohio, Justin Welch threw 70.88 with 12.
USATF Sanctioned meet in conjunction with Police and Fire Games.
published at Jun 17th 2009 6:08am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Will
2009 Lindenwood Summer Throws Series
USATF Sanctioned: USATF membership required for competition.
All competitors will take 6 throws if one fair during first 3.
Location: Lindenwood University Track, St. Charles, Missouri
Campus Map : http://www.lindenwood.edu/about/campus_map.cfm
June 20th, 27th
published at Jun 17th 2009 6:53am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Coach Mac
The Diamond League released its inaugural schedule for 2010. Two locations in the U.S.
The 14 meet series will expand outside of Europe and include meets in Asia, North America and the Middle East. The 2010 Schedule:
published at Jun 17th 2009 7:57am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Kap
I think that at altitude the thinner air is a wash with the new spear. While less "wind" on the tail would lessen the pitching action the lack of "wind" also lessens the effect of lift from the front surface. Even with the design of the current spear to limit distances it's still an aerodynamic implement and needs something to "work" against for maximum distance potential, so I think that you'd still loose distance with identical throws at sea level vs 6-7,00 ft.
I got a very informative email from Mohamad Saatara, the throws coach @ Northern Arizona, telling me of his experiences with wind, thin air (they are at 7,000 ft) and various implements. There seem to be needs different than what most throwers are used to at lower levels when up in the thin air..... he could explain better than I but his points, beside wind direction/implement, was the need to really hit the throw (faster flight = more contact w/ air) and for the athletes to be aerobically fit. Hard to go with big efforts if you can't breathe
Thanks, Mo...... I'm sticking closer the the earth's core: my aerobic fitness is a bit lacking.
published at Jun 17th 2009 8:22am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from ZHazen
Well, better late than never right?
Last Chance USA Qualifier Double Meet
Wichita State University
This Thursday and Saturday 6/16 and 6/18
Hammer, Javelin (Sat), and Pole Vault
It'll be either late afternoon or evening both days. We are hoping to give a few athletes a chance to qualify for USA's and have a great time in the process. Details are coming together at the last minute, so feel free to e-mail me if you want to come out, but the meet is ON.
published at Jun 17th 2009 11:27am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from ryoung
I just wondered what some of you think about how starting age affects high school performance and if someone starts later at what point would the catch up?
Let me elaborate a bit: I have a son who is about to turn 16 and started throwing 15 months ago. I read information about Vena, Finley, Ryan Crouser and a few other kids around the same age and see that they started throwing in 5th or 6th grade. If a kid starts in 9th grade that seems like a huge disadvantage. Now I also believe tht there is a point in time where they can catch up. I susoect that is probably around second year college but that is purely a guess on my part. I just wondered what some of you think.
My son is blessed with good size, strength and very solid coaching at this point. I suspect he will go 220' in discus in high school (three years of high school left and is about 185' now) and hopefully over 70' in shot. He is about 6'7 and 250lbs. He has chosen only to throw and to throw and/or lift 4-5 days a week in an effort to become Canada's best high school thrower ever.
published at Jun 17th 2009 9:06pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Brad Reid
Starting age only makes a difference in that the earlier one starts throwing, the more "early success" he or she will achieve. In the end, the greatness factor takes over and the best become the best.
Likely, if a young man matures physically very early, say the kid who is shaving in 6th or 7th grade, he'll dominate for a few years, then about 10th grade, look around and everyone is a head taller... a throwing farther.
Your son, at 6'7" won't have that issue. My point is that very early "maturers" will often have less upside for a long career. Many of the old dominant glide shot putters from HS were less so in college.
For every precocious thrower who throws well from a very early age and excels all the way to and through college, I can name one who started dominating later: Feuerbach, Oldfield, Wilkins (in discus and shot) all come to mind very quickly. On the other hand, Matson, Carter and Long dominated from HS to college to the Olympics.
The one thing I would mention to you is to make sure your son doesn't overdue the bodyweight thing as he is obviously a good gainer. Tons of kids from HS these days get so heavy, it actually impairs their athleticism.
What a prospect!
published at Jun 17th 2009 10:11pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Kap
Considering your son's discus mark, he's pretty damn good now. While throwing is an apprenticeship, there are some kids that just have "it": the kinesthetic feel for slinging something heavy far. For those athletes, less years of reps can produce very good improvements given they are already ahead of the curve when they've started and have a natural "groove" or pattern of movement. An example: Russ Francis (former NFL great TE) first touched a javelin in Feb/March his senior year in HS. He threw 79m 3 months later, a record that lasted decades. I've seen video of your son.... he has "it". And he has physical structure to maximize his skills as they become more fluid and natural from lots of correct reps as well as a great support system. There's less guesswork or trial and error so sessions are more productive.
My guess is that your son will be on par with the young men you mentioned when his HS career is done and he's off to university.
published at Jun 17th 2009 10:23pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from ryoung
Brad, interesting that you mention the bodyweightthing. His coach commented just yesterday that the plan for the next 12 months for bodyweight will be to maintain about the same weight and maybe lose 10lbs while putting on another 10-15 of muscle mass hopefully. The discussion was around not becoming a 310+ lb kid coming out of high school, but more like 270.
published at Jun 17th 2009 10:25pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from ryoung
I read the Vena has gotten to a point where his coaches suggest he knows as much as them. Perhaps they are just being politically correct or perhaps they really believe that. My question is, what does an athlete do when they reach a point where their understanding of what they are doing matches or exceeds that of their coach? I realize that an extra set of knowledgeable eyes is crucial. But how does a kid like Vena then find a college coach who will advance his throwing? Is there really such a thing as being that advanced? Just something I have wondered.
published at Jun 17th 2009 10:50pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Will
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I was needing it on or before tomorrow night. Thanks.
Live to Throw
Throw to Live
published at Jun 18th 2009 12:52am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from cownuttz
In the case of Nick Vena, he can still needs to work on some technical aspects of the throw. Also, even if he is at the level of his coaches... he still needs those eyes to constantly be on him reinforcing good habits and stopping bad habits from being born.
Nick's Father reaches out to people asking many questions on training, colleges, coaches and technical aspects of the throw. So, they are not stuck in their own bubble thinking they know everything. They are picking people's brains and slowly implementing that info into their routines.
As for age, I would really focus on technique and worry about base strength. Then in college, coaches will implement their philosophies on training, and the throws will increase.
My problem in High School was that I got too strong too quick... benched 440 at 17 years old and threw just under 67 w/12lb shot. Now at 29 with a pr of 66+ w/16lb shot, I can only bench 350, Have not squatted since May '08 and have not done an olympic lift over 225 in the past 6 months (Max clean is 410).
I am now focusing on technique and body tempo rather than strength.... but it's too late in my life to get the full effect. I wish I would have done this in High School.
Also, let me know if I am wrong, but didn't Christian Cantwell not throw well in college? I believe he had one or two big throws but there were times where he was throwing 18+ to 19meters now he rips bombs all the time... His technique caught up with his body.
However, I think it is being shown that strength catching up to technique is the way to go. These kids now have the Internet to veiw videos on youtube and to watch the olympians throw. That is an added component to all these big throws. I had to use a VHS tape on a VCR! Now you can stop, rewind, slow in a fraction of a second. I really think this has helped the kids today get where they are.
I just rambled on.. hope it made sense.
published at Jun 18th 2009 12:54am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/