Quote from LetItRip
What is sick about Vena is not so much what rediculous distances he is throwing at this age and time, but how dam freakin rediculous his rotational technique is... Now we know Naclario worked with him till HS, but my question is who is working with him now. His technique is right on.. The things i see him doing, and the small improvements i have seen technically are solid.. Kudos to who is coaching him, and if he is bright enough to have "Truly" become a student of his sport at this age, kudos to him... This is getting extremely interesting.. He is hitting places that only a few have obviously gone, and its only the 2nd Quarter people.. oh my...
This is going to be fun..
published at Apr 26th 2009 3:47am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from LetItRip
I love his humbleness and sportsmanship upon declaring there were some great competitors in todays competition. Comes off real well and sounds like a nice kid.. To take away nothing from the rest, because of course there were some good throwers as well past nick, but he did win by 11+ feet.. thats amazing, and something i havent ever seen at a relatively national calibur meet..
published at Apr 26th 2009 3:54am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from jayess
I don't want to take anything away from Vena. He has awesome technique and scary potential, but my money is on Jelmini as the outstanding HS thrower in the US.
Vena has the #1 SP throw, but he is merely the current leader of an elite and closely bunched pack at the top of the SP list. Jelmini, on the other hand leads both the DT and the SP lists. She is a full meter ahead of #2 in SP, and leads her closest competitor in DT by over 7 meters.
It's one thing to be the best in one throw, but to totally dominate two different throws at the same time is jaw-dropping. At least it is to me.
published at Apr 26th 2009 4:36am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Mr.Incredible
How about Mason Finley from Buena Vist Hs in Colorado 223 in the discus and 71 in the shot. He is supposed to be about 6'8 and 330 pounds. Headed to UCLA.
What I can't figure out is why Vena is not ranked in the discus. He should be able to hit at least a 180 with his great shotputting talent alone. Since he still has 2 years left in high school, he still has time to be a great discus thrower. Its all complimentary when you do the spin in the shot.
published at Apr 26th 2009 7:10am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from cownuttz
I am not obligated to mention how far he threw the 16 about 2 months ago in practice. However, I can say that it is very far!
Now he has about 7-8 weeks till the Nike HS Nationals. He will throw 74 ft in late May/June.
Just believe me!
LOL! NJ THROWS!!!!
published at Apr 26th 2009 8:32am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from dsmith
Have you ever tried a close grip snatch? If you haven't, try it and then tell me which one is more difficult(try a clean grip snatch and a 15' grip snatch)? The pull is longer because the bar has to travel to a higher height. Therefore, the force driven from the ground up is actually longer. I could care less about dropping under the bar, the focus in any olympic movement lift is producing the hip explosiveness (i.e. clean/snatch pulls and hang clean/snatch).
Most lifters don't complete the full pull (from mid to high thigh pull) in the olympic lifts, because the bar only has to travel a short distance before you can drop and catch. In a close grip snatch, you better continue that pull (i.e. force production into the ground) or that bar will never reach the height desired to catch (i.e. which then turns into a push press!!).
This lift should only be peformed by experienced/elite athletes. If you still think I have it backwards, then you can hook yourself up to a tendo unit, and see which lift generates more power!!
published at Apr 26th 2009 9:25am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Bassfly50
Just wondering again ...has Finley ever thrown with 1.75 kg or 2.0 kg?
By just throwing 5,44 kg and 1,62 kg (at age nearly 19 yo!) the american throwers will never get marks in the worldwide all-time junior rankings, and can't be compaired with current european top throwers.
published at Apr 26th 2009 4:57pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from ats38
Gerd Kanter 2 new PB in weightroom
A visitor on training camp
+ Niklas Arhhenius 260 kg squat + Raigo Toompuu 2x250 squat from
Wishing all the best,
published at Apr 26th 2009 6:51pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from tomsonite
There only reason I can think of for him not being ranked in discus is that he just doesn't care about it. It doesn't matter how naturally talented you are, you have to want something and work at it to be good.
Also, if you think about it, the discus and spin shot are not that complimentary. You can't use the same technique to throw a 12/16 lbs ball at your neck from a 7 foot circle that you can to throw a 1.6/2 kg plate at full arm's length from an 8' 2.5" circle. There might be similarities in the techniques but success in one does not automatically mean success in the other. They are two different events and must be trained as such.
If that wasn't the case, then Alekna/Kanter should just be able to pick up a shot and throw 22m, and Adam Nelson should have been one of the more dominating discus throwers of the last decade.
published at Apr 26th 2009 10:24pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from hopefullthrower
I have found it a great help coaching shotputters and explosively athletes generally, they all respond well to it and you can vary the grip for stimuli, I also found due to me being a little slow and inflexible (physically as well as mentally LOL) I had to use a lighter weight and finish it off with upper body, not great for hammer but fine for my old body trying to put a shot. A fine exercise, top five for any explosive athlete.
published at Apr 26th 2009 11:13pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Dre
He hit 166'5 on 4/18. He should be able to break 200' by his senior year, if he continues at this rate. Even if he doesn't enjoy it as much as SP, when he begins to get better at it, he may begin to give it more attention.
Anyway, his season opener in discus last year was like 130, so I think he is starting to get the hang of it.
published at Apr 27th 2009 12:38am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/