"The Ring" archive entries from Aug 23rd 2008

These are the posts from "The Ring" archive on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/ from day Aug 23rd 2008

Quote from tomsonite

"Here is another thought for consideration ...maybe we need to start teaching our kids to glide again."

Were you saying that last year after our spinners went 1-2 at the World Championships? Should Dylan Armstrong switch to the glide even though he got a personal best at the Olympics with the spin?

published at Aug 23rd 2008 1:12am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from KSCTHROWER

As being one of the smaller guys I always felt they should have classes for throwing like they do in weightlifting but I do understand that most of the time size doesnt matter...

Anyone know any Pound for Pound Records? Whats the farthest distance in the discus/shot/hammer for example for under 200lbs?

published at Aug 23rd 2008 1:26am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Bassfly50

Let's not forget in the past Dan O'Brien was an even better athlete, with about the same bodypropotions:

Dan O'Brien USA 9572 10,23 - 8.11 - 16.69 - 2.20 - 46,53 -
13,47 - 55.07 - 5.25 - 66.90 - 4.33,19 4997 4575

Bryan Clay USA 9332 10,36 - 8.06 - 16.25 - 2.10 - 47,78 -
13,74 - 55.87 - 5.15 - 72.00 - 4.38,93 4767 4565

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published at Aug 23rd 2008 1:27am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from tgthrower

How about Bruce Jenner? I don't have his exact throwing event stats but he was a great javelin thrower, 53+ in the shot, and high 170's in the discus.

published at Aug 23rd 2008 1:36am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Tony Dziepak

The relay team members should be introduced to the pole vaulters, so that they may come to know the benefits of Tuf-Skin spray.

published at Aug 23rd 2008 1:54am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Bassfly50

Some lightweights from the 2008 toplist:

Shot
19.46 Borja Vivas ESP 191/92
18.85 Germ

published at Aug 23rd 2008 1:55am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from BigDave

B.S. Newswire, Beijing:

At a hastily called press conference, the coach of American 400 meter runner Jeremy Wariner announced that Wariner had contracted "White Man's Disease". Apparently Wariner had been bravely battling the condition most of his life and had been in remission for nearly ten years. Rumors that Wariner was W.M.D. positive began surfacing last year when Wariner not only lost a race, but his hair extensions began falling out in clumps. A tearful Wariner refused to answer questions, but issued a statement that he would retire from sprinting and continue his Olympic dream by becoming a cross country skier.

published at Aug 23rd 2008 2:01am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from discusdoc

I went to several exercise biochemistry meetings in the mid 1980s at the Institute of Physical Culture in Leningrad (now St Petersburg). The Institute was the center for steroid research for the USSR. Many of the top Soviet coaches were at the meetings, including Remi Korchemny of BALCO fame.

I met Dr. Michael Kalinski, who was then Chair of Biochemistry at the University of Kiev and one of their leading scientists. He immigrated to the USA in the early 90s and brought a secret numbered document outlining the Soviet drug program. He published an account in Med Sci Sports.

Kalinski, M., C. Dunbar, et al. (2001). "Research on anabolic steroids in the former Soviet Union. ." Med Sci Sports Exercise 33: Supplement abstract 1901.
Human subject research was performed clandestinely in the former Soviet Union using anabolic-androgenic steroids as ergogenic aids for athletes in sports including basketball, biathlon, rowing, weight lifting, and track and field. At least 96 copies of a 39 page "for limited use" document summarizing these studies were circulated among elite sport research institutions. The aim of this research was to enhance athletes' performances. This is the first known copy to appear outside of the former Soviet Union. It summarizes anabolic-androgenic steroid research performed on human subjects at the Research Laboratory of Physiology of Sport Performance at the Central Institute of Physical Culture (Moscow). Dosages, types of steroids, and procedures are included in this manual. Specific steroid protocols for specific sports are described. This information has never been divulged in the West until now; thus this is the first hard evidence of the collusion of the Soviet Sport Apparatus in the use of anabolic steroids by athletes.

Many of their top scientists and coaches went to other countries after the fall of the USSR. They are incredibly talented and knowledgeable and were fed up making peanuts in mother Russia. They found employment elsewhere!

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published at Aug 23rd 2008 2:05am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Kap

USOC has mandated a full re-organization of USATF Board of Directors, etc. CEO Logan was elected by less than 505 of the reps since 1) he never met/interviewed with most of them and 2) most knew of the mandated re-organization.
There's no idea what he will be able/willing to do- just politically correct wind for now.

published at Aug 23rd 2008 2:08am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from tgthrower

What exactly went on with that appointment?

In typical USATF fashion, it took them several months just to come up with a "board" that responsible for the search of a new CEO. Apparently, the board was not in place yet, and - all of a sudden - Logan was named the new CEO.

Heard that the USOC told the USATF that they needed to hire someone and hire someone IMMEDIATELY

published at Aug 23rd 2008 2:13am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Brad Reid

Even as far back as Bob Mathias (1948 and 1952 Olympic Champion), we have had good weightmen in the decathlon.

Bob threw over 170'(with a wooden discus, wearing cleats, off a dirt surface ring) while at Stanford, and placed high in a US National Championships at least one year... I think 4th place. He would have been about 12 to 15 feet off the WR at that time.

Good to see these physical phenoms over the years... it helps us understand the importance of attributes other than sheer size in the throws.

Brad

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published at Aug 23rd 2008 2:14am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Michael V.

Can anyone direct me to an all-time list for the #56 weight throw. Or doe anyone know what the world best is for the event. I can find the masters info but nothing on elites.

Thanks,

Michael V.

published at Aug 23rd 2008 2:28am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Rev GJ

I think I'm getting sandbagged.
Group of us throwing last night
and we decide to throw the 56# next Thursday.

Guy bringing the weight, Michael V. posts, looking for the all-time bests.
I'll be working on getting it forward.

published at Aug 23rd 2008 3:55am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Michael V.

n/m

published at Aug 23rd 2008 4:05am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Michael V.

Gary,

I'll be looking to clear the asphalt. I was asking for the young guy throwing with us. I won't mention his name, lest anyone forever question his judgement.

A few more months and we'll need to get you a 44#.

MV

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published at Aug 23rd 2008 4:10am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from 70footer

very very funny stuff BIGDAVE....that is hilarious

published at Aug 23rd 2008 4:26am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from VALENTI

Hey lets not bury our heads in the sand. We did not perform well in track and field...actually as a group they did terrible.

The throws may be just a big a choke fest as the sprints. I'm tired of hearing ,,,hey we threw far at the worlds,,,or we had 14 of the top 20 throws in the world last year.

Do it at the Olympics. I am just waiting for the comments ,,,oh we lost because we aren't on drugs and every one else is on.

You do what you want with your athletes,,,you dont have to hit me over a head with a bat to see that the spin doesnt hold up under pressure.

As far as USA weight lifting goes...I would fire every coach at the training center and get some people in there who know how to get people strong.

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published at Aug 23rd 2008 5:57am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from CanuckHT

... you don't dominate sprinting like that coincidently, especially since Powell and then Bolt has had the same success in a progression.

Just goes to show you what Money and facilities and support can do for a program.

I'd think it's safe to say that it's no more coincidence than the Ehtiopians and Kenyans "coincidently" having the success that they have had.

Jamaica has clearly developed and progressed their sprinters, they have had success at the junior ranks and moved them up, nothing before it's time.

Don't take this the wrong way - but is that all anyone can rely on to beat the U.S. in the Sprints - luck and coincidence? lol, just pokin' some fun, but in all seriousness, if the U.S. centralized it's resources even more than it might now for various events - or even had say 4 hubs across the country and put some funding and support in there for athletes AND coaches to get to, then everyone would desparately need luck and coincidence to beat the U.S. - perhaps at just about anything.

Thoughts...

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published at Aug 23rd 2008 6:05am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from CanuckHT

What's even more scary is that they're a small enough island that you KNOW there is going to be some "joining of gene pools" at some point ...speed breeds speed in most cases - dare we think what might come from the fastest island (now) in the world...

published at Aug 23rd 2008 6:07am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/