Quote from Kevin
Wow - what a super impressive competitor to put it all out there on the first throw. (Plus, I know she can finish strong when needed - I saw her launch a huge final throw at the Stanford Invite this year).
I have to say that, for me, Stephanie's tremendous success is THE story of the Games - and the lesson I'll be sure to share with athletes in the future: always believe and don't be afraid to start with a winner.
Thanks Stephanie, you have truly made these Games inspiring for me.
published at Aug 19th 2008 1:08am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Fu
WOW!! Congrats. I think back a few years post Athens when you started training at Sac City before I left to Davis. It was a great feeling seeing you train then and seeing you throughout the year at meets in 2007-2008.
I have to say, you are very special and thanks for being and inspiration to me and my throwers.
published at Aug 19th 2008 1:44am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from CoachW
A lot of people are talking about peaking and you really need to be careful when you are an outsider to an athletes PR performance. Phelps after setting numerous WR said that some could have been faster. Was that his peak or did he just PR on his upward slope to a peak. One can never tell. A PR is not always a peak. If a discus thrower got a 10' PR because of a good wind is that a peak? Maybe it becomes a psychological peak but probably not a physical peak. In technical events there are too many factors that can effect a performance to accurately peak. One can be in peak condition and either PR or foul out. That is clear by the evidence of the recent performances. From my observations and hearing stories of the past great performances are more in spite of the olympics than because of them. We all tend to focus on the ones that are supposedly because of the games.
We arent dominant anymore. Other countries are getting better and its getting harder for the US. Big deal, stop your sniffling and go back to the drawing board and fix it 4 years. Jamaica has long since had the talent to do what it has done. Lack of competitive situations in their youth program and lousy US college coaches have hampered them. Now that they have a high performance center in Jamaica dedicated to sprinting they have large organized development with sound training principles. Get used to it, its gonna happen a lot more. Maybe less top level sprinters will migrate to the US or perhaps only to a select few coaches/universities that know what they are doing. You see that from some European countries - they dont want their best to go to US colleges because the training/coaching is better at home. Sure we see Russian hammer throwers at US colleges, but not their best.
Lets focus on the positive. We have a gold medalist in the Womens Discus!! How great is that? Who cares about our medal count or disappointing performances - that happens. When you deal in people, stuff happens that you cant predict. They arent chess pieces. Have a heart and get a life.
GREAT JOB STEPHANIE!!
As Coach Irv "Moon" Mondschein would say, "You make me proud to be an American."
published at Aug 19th 2008 1:57am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Lambo
There's a spot on espn radio they keep running with Jeremy Schapp talking about the "greatest Olympians" ever. He talks about the credit Phelps is getting but says take into consideration he's in a sport that has a lot of events he can win in. He goes on to mention Oerter winning Gold in 4 consecutive Olympics and rhetorically asks if he is "less great" because he "only" won 4 golds.
Thought it was cool and a good thing to share.
published at Aug 19th 2008 2:01am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from ram
Coach w, I'm hardly "sniffling" only making observations over results that have happend so far, which are lackluster in many events. Getting "used to it" is not acceptable so no, I won't "get used to it". That's what makes the U.S. so great is our inability to accept losing as common ground- this is called tradition. Perhaps Stephanie Brown is laying the foundation for this in the women's discus. I hope so. My little girl has already taken quite an interest in it. Once again Go USA!
ps. I have a heart and a great life (3 kids, no mortgage, and I make a fine living as a stay-at- home mom).
published at Aug 19th 2008 2:25am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from DannyJohn
My email is email@example.com
Years ago, McGill used the Utah State throws model and the "idea" that a power position with feet "close," or "tight feet" or a position with the feet literally only 12 inches or less between the feet as optimal. He was attacked in the next TT.
I noted Stef Brown's feet (like Godina's in 1996?) are in this same relationship.
Her control, both physical and mental, is the best example I have seen by an American in a while...congrats....
published at Aug 19th 2008 4:17am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from CanuckHT
First question - who is Stephanie working with (coach?).
I had this discussion not long ago about the American performances, and performances in general when you consider rankings in the world and the performances in the throws (for example) at the Olympics.
Most athletes will catch the Olympics on their way to a peak, that's why some will bang out some huge throws or results, the week or two after the Olympics...watch how fast Bolt runs in the next while. Having said that this is not always a huge focus. It would see that perhaps there is the possibility that sponsors (big ones like NIKE, ADDIDAS, ASICS etc etc etc) may expect big results throughout the outdoor season and rankings and that sort of promotion is what they are looking for, taking little into a count for periodization and peak performance. Any thoughts out there - maybe from some who are in this situation.
I wouldn't turn to the coaches right away and suggest that they failed to prepare their athletes for the games. There are some renowned coaches in the U.S. in a majority of events, but what role might money play.
You gotta go big to get paid, and perhaps to eat...so what influence might this have on the success/failure of a national system?
Would love to hear thoughts....
published at Aug 19th 2008 4:20am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Norm Balke
What is "TT"??
Most rotational shotputters have a relatively small base, doesn't seem to be too new. Do you mean in the discus?
I would think that if you are on balance, and you kept the feet turning, the spacing of the feet would be of minimal importance.
published at Aug 19th 2008 4:49am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from discusdoc
I think her short base helps her get her left foot down faster and gives her a longer pull. She keeps her feet and hips moving very well. Her technique is very nice and shows good linkage with little leakage.
published at Aug 19th 2008 5:00am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Coach Rodney
in 1999 at the US Nationals which were in Eugene, Tony Washington had long throws (219-222 area) and threw from a short base and was about 12" from the front of the circle.
I've seen Steph throw from either a short base or long, as noted last year in Maui. One day think it was the first, she had a short base and the second day her base was wider. So, here's the question of the day? Does it matter?
published at Aug 19th 2008 5:13am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from 70footer
AMAZING...great for Stephanie ......can't even remember a time up to now that an American woman had made the final let alone win the whole thing....VERY SPECIAL
She gets my vote for ''THROWER of the whole damn OLYMPICS''
published at Aug 19th 2008 6:45am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Mr.Incredible
When the US wins, the coverage increases. Tonight Stephanie will be featured on NBC during the track coverage right along with the womens pole vault and the 400 hurdles
Not since the great Mac Wilkins in 1976 has the gold in the discus gone to the U.S. for men or women. 32 years is a long time.
Great job Stephanie for putting the American Discus back on the map
published at Aug 19th 2008 7:19am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from 70footer
I think you got that right Mr Incredible..........Stephanie Brown Traftons victory is ON PAR with Mac Wilkins victory in '76 and might be even bigger...Wilkins was suppossed to win, whereas Stephanie was not expected to perform at this high a level. We have been talking about Mac in the light of a superstar ever since and I imagine Stephanie is in for much the same treatment....so along with Mac Wilkins , Mike Stulce ,and Randy Barnes...now Stephanie Brown Trafton will go down right next to them as the greatest amercian throwing Olympic champions in history...only Al Oerter towers above all these american throwing athletes.
published at Aug 19th 2008 9:01am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from The Almighty Triple B
I guess the glide for pride wins yet another Olympic Tittle. I'm a little behind on the happenings so bare with me.
published at Aug 19th 2008 9:04am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from DannyJohn
I talked a long time with McGill after his article came out in "Track Technique." I think it morphed into something later like "Coach and Athlete" or something, but it was moving away from its roots by about the late 1980's. The best part of the magazine, I always thought, was "How They Train" and I have xeroxes of Rink, Bob Humphries, L. Jay in maybe 1959...as well as a bunch of javies and Mac and...
Sometimes TT was hit or miss. There is a famous sequence of John Powell. I showed it to him and he smiled and said: "The single worst throw of my life." Sometimes the biomech stuff was worthless, but you can find some gems literally stuck all over the place. The best single article, I always thought, was "My Search for Seppo," available, I think, at the Canadian coach's site.
McGill argued for a narrow stance for smaller throwers. I played around for two seasons with this and found that I could throw far (mid 180's) and didn't get beat up. As I usually note: it worked so well, I stopped doing it...
published at Aug 19th 2008 9:39am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Kap
starts at 10:20pm EDT. It's gonna take a while.... 2 flights of 28! I'm sure there will be a couple DNS, but, man. Get one on your 1st or take a nap until 2nd throw.
published at Aug 19th 2008 9:42am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from C. Ryan
Awesome article Dan John recalled - should be required reading for all throwers in the snow states:
published at Aug 19th 2008 9:53am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/