Quote from 70footer
so look at it this way....NBC and america make such a big deal about the BIG 3 , and going for a sweep in the OLYMPICS , they do all these interviews , slot it for prime time coverage....THEN the pressure of all of it forces two of the main contenders to falter and NBC moves the coverage to something like 3 AM , or basically nothing!
THE POINT IS , ya don't let NBC or anyone or anything in your head when you are a competitor...it is just you and your coach and no one else...not even JAY LENO....cuz Hollywood cares so much about the big 3 that they chewed them up and spit them out and have now moved on like it never happened......the big 3 is nothing but an urban legend at this point....all that pressure for literally NOTHING!!! it is as if it never happened ...and if they had done well , and set Olympic records NBC would have been all over them and had them all over the news and every broadcast making them seem like the second coming of MOTHER THERESA , but who cares? WHY are you here competing? why all the preperation? if it is for NBC then carry on as usual....but if it is for YOU and your own aspirations and commitments to YOUR sport... then when NBC comes calling you say "see me AFTER the MEET then I will talk" and the pressure doesn't mount up to unbelievable amounts.
I learned this the hard way and I hope Reese and Adam will live to fight another day from this LESSON they are GREAT throwers in my book regardless of what NBC has determined!!!
published at Aug 17th 2008 1:17am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Coach Rodney
Rob said some good things. But the question here is who had the pressure? We have seen the results of the Men's Shot,Discus and Hammer. The Women's Shot and the Discus. Out of all those events, the US has finished 2nd in the Men's shot, and two women waiting to compete on Monday! The rest of the events were not up to par, So what happen? Why did it happen? Was it the pressure that Rob talked about? Do we blame it on the Media? Do we look at the events and their programs? We still have the W. Discus, Women's Hammer and the M&W Javelin. I have my thoughts on the Women's Discus....Wammo !!!And I will watch it from my computer Monday Morning !!! Then it will be exciting !!! Oh Pressure, Its Mind over Matter folks and did our throwing programs look at the mind?
published at Aug 17th 2008 2:05am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Torque-converter
I understand that mistakes can and will happen at meets. This big of a marking error shouldn't happen at the olympic games when there are plenty of officials and Olympic medals are on the line. This seems very similar to Delis in 1980.I wonder what country the guy marking is from. Marking for shotput in moist grass should be an easy job for officials of this caliber. I don't think this should be swept under the carpet.
published at Aug 17th 2008 3:10am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from magic70
I was looking back a couple of days to see the post by Shaun P on standards. In my opinion if the A standards go up any more then it will start to become hard to hit these standards clean.
Shaun does come across as very critical of other throwers when they do not step up to the plate. What he forgets is Atlanta was a 19.50m A standard and he only managed 18.20m at the games.
published at Aug 17th 2008 3:19am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Bahrkie
I know Speedo offered Michael Phelps a million if he broke Mark Spits records... That looked like it might have worked.. haha
published at Aug 17th 2008 5:26am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from battlethrower
Those girls can't even dance. Horrible!!! I guess we need to get some women shaking their ta-ta's and na-na's in bikini's to get more coverage for the throws
published at Aug 17th 2008 5:47am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from rfox5
While I wait to see a throwing event and constantly check the internet for throwing updates, I find that NBC is showing trampoline...WTF? We can't get 15 minutes of coverage while an event thats only been in like 2 olympics and something every kid could go do in the backyard gets a whole time slot...ugh
published at Aug 17th 2008 6:46am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Mr.Incredible
I cant believe what I am hearing about making a living and not being up for the Olympics.
These are are the #@* OLYMPICS. how can you not be up for the Olympics. It is every throwers dream to get there and to medal. All three of our throwers could go out there and throw 70 feet at anytime during the year after a hard squat and clean workout.
We have great shotputters, but you are measured by how you do in the big show every four years. Just like last year in the NFL, The Pats undefeated season meant nothing when the Giants upset them in the Superbowl. That's what makes Tiger Woods, Michael Phelps, Al Oerter and others great that show up when it really counts.
Our throwers have it as proof by Cantwell's last throw to turn a bad day into a Silver medal and all of the prior World Championships between them. We just need to get over that Olympic Hurdle. We have enough talent in the shot put that we should be able to send our B team of Whiting, Taylor, and Winger and they would all medal.
So I think that our throwers want it very bad. I just think that they want it so bad and it effects their performance.
published at Aug 17th 2008 7:32am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from jyike
While the results might not have been what he had hoped, the way he responded to the setback is to be admired. Hate that it didn't go your way Reese but more power to you for your response to it.
published at Aug 17th 2008 8:15am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Bahrkie
I was very upset in seeing the trampoline as well.... and how about that 20k race walk?! man that was exciting!!! ...sigh
published at Aug 17th 2008 8:57am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from scoobyfan
Posted this on 26 th July with no response from anyone. Hate to say it but .................
London Grand Prix (25-07-08)
'Watched this last night from a good viewing seat in the stadium at Crystal Palace. It was only 6th round efforts that beat the Polish thrower Majewski fom Nelson and Hoffa.Nelson throwing down the left sector line, his last throw looked further than 21.07.
Cantwell seemed 'off'. I wish him well as he comes to terms with being a DAD (It gets better and better).
As a european I hope the guys were just tired and perform better in Beijing and we dont have the result in the last two Olympics where, shall I say a suprising thrower has taken the title.
Go Reese, Go Adam, Go Christian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
published at Aug 17th 2008 9:10am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Viking
It's a matter of speed of camera movement.
If you want to be more thorough about it,go watch Majevski's throw land ,he was throwing right before Armstrong.
The deeper,longer shot mark you think was Armstrong's was still there as the officials went to measure Majewski's throw,although in the right end of the screen but it's still visible and exists before Armstrong's throw.
As it is obviously longer than the until then best throw it's a matter of the officials making a mistake by not erasing all marks made in warmups.
published at Aug 17th 2008 9:53am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Viking
...from the past are doomed to relive it...
We had the very same conversation in 2004.And pretty much in 2000.
If the rest of the countries had ever devised a plan together to totally destroy the ever-dominant Olympic US shotputting ,it would never have been carried out as successfully as it until now has been carried out by the US itself.
In 1972 Komar won by a cm and Oldfield got 5th i think with 20.85.The 3 Americans then threw more individually than today's 3 in the Olympics.
They were all gliders and the strongest of them was weaker and lighter than the weaker and lighter of the 3 US shotputters today.
Yesterday's picture of the 3 US shotputters must be disturbing.Cantwell and Hoffa were too slow and reluctant through the ring and Nelson although fast tip toed his way through it with powerless steps.Out of balance power positions for Hoffa and Nelson and a slow power position that ended with just pushing the ball with the arm for Cantwell.
It's not only a matter of spinning vs gliding.It's also a matter of correct peaking.A matter of not showing all your cards until it really matters.Also a matter of prioritizing the Olympics throughout the 4 year period that precedes it.Harju's win proves this.Lyzhin's and Armstrong's performance yesterday also prove this.
I do understand that US shotputters have to attend meets for their financial survival and peak twice per year.Wasn't that so in 72 ?
I also understand that an athlete's worth is not shown from a single meet result alone and this is indeed so,especially for someone like Nelson or Hoffa.
But it's also important for some to understand that this easy dominance in meets throughout the world is also plasmatic because all the rest of the competitors feel they are unimportant and because in essence it's just a training day for them and not a meet for which they have to peak,so in reality what happens is Hoffa for example beats under stressless situations throwers that don't care for the result and may or may not have a good throw.
So these meet wins are in no way Olympics outcome predictors.Neither for placing or individual performance level.
We had a very interesting conversation a couple of weeks ago and it is clear to me that US shotputters compete in many meets in order to peak for the Olympics through competing a lot first and then for money reasons.Until then i thought it was mostly about money.
Maybe it's a good time for reevaluation,because no other meet can be compared to the Olympics, no matter the pressure (like the US trials) ,the traveling distances and time zone differences or whatever.
So no single meet is actually helpful for Olympics peaking because the situations there are very different and in a very special way energy consuming.
This is not a good time to bash the US coaches personally or the athletes personally or the USATF. I'm sure their intentions are the best possible.
I do believe US coaches are the very best and each coach evaluates his athlete and goes on with a strategy that's best for this particular athlete.
I'm sure you can't find anyone better than Babbit anywhere,for example.
Perhaps my opinion that less pre-Olympic meets are better and that not all shotputters should be trained to be spinners anyway have more weight now.
Perhaps with the whole outcome of the whole 2008 season the US shotputters are more satisfied with what they got ,and that they still prefer the path they chose instead of ,say,missing all meets between the US trials and sweeping in the Olympics.
Somehow Adam Nelson's disappointment in today's final makes me think otherwise.
But if you think that's what the US shotputters have to do to survive,make meet money and attract sponsors,you have to see it from the other point of view as well.
That's what Eastern countries' throwers have to do to survive too,make it well in the Olympics.Only then is their monetary existence provided.Most times they're not let by their coaches to attend many meets (that means their government) and at least to my attention,Nike doesn't sponsor 4-5 shotputters from Belarus,nor is there a Visa price of 100.000 for making a few good results in the national meets of Poland...
This is a good time for reevaluation.
And i think that in 2012 it would be better to have subpar results due to new mistakes and new things tried that didn't quite work out well,instead of doing the very same mistakes of 2004 and 2008.
Doing the very same things again and again and expecting a different result is just not the best strategy.
PS Those that make doping accusations about other countries better rethink why the US team has hit rock bottom in all its dominant events.The shot,the long jump,the 100m...pretty much everything.
The GH test and blood sampling made some people very afraid and we suddenly see a lot of people ,fatter,less muscular,performing badly...even more than the now "cleaned" Fazekas.
Perhaps Phelps who some are tired of is the only chance to save the US prestige in the 2008 Games...not ?
published at Aug 17th 2008 10:05am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/