"The Ring" archive entries from May 15th 2008

These are the posts from "The Ring" archive on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/ from day May 15th 2008

Quote from Montana

In the rules book it states the distance between the front 2 poles (front opening) should be 20-24' for a discus cage. Is this the same for NCAA? I haven't been able to find the minimum distance between front opening unless it is 20'

Get this.

NFHS Rule Book 2008 page 80.
Minimum distance from center of ring to front post 9'3"
Recommended distance from sector line to front post 4'-5'. The distance between the front post are now 13'-9 13/16". That is not the recommended front opening of 20-24'

Anyone?????

Entering the ring: Athlete must pause before starting the throw. (Art 9b) Does not exit the back half of circle.(Art 9 h) Does not state where you must enter.

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published at May 15th 2008 2:28am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Tony Dziepak

2007 point of emphasis #2: competitor may enter from any direction.

http://www.nfhs.org/web/2006/09/2007_track_and_field_points_of_emphasis.aspx

A typical old cage is 20-24', so if you extend the wings into the sector and parallel to each other, 20-24' apart, then the front of the wings should be 4-5' away from the 34.92-degree sector line when you extend out 9-10' further. This is the costlier option because it requires a longer net and two additional posts. It is illustrated here:

http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmanager/uploads/2006-07_Track_Field_Rules_appendix_a.pdf

The more economical solution is to swing the two front posts in. Then you only have to install two new post sleeves. Keep the old sleeves in the ground with covers in case you want to move them out to do hammer. In this case, the front of the net should be 4-5 feet from the sector line, which is an opening much less than 20'--more like 16'

Also if you have an overhanging net, what counts is where the net hangs--not the posts. It doesn't matter if you tie the net back to the posts at the bottom--look up--that's where the discus hits it.

So the net as it hangs loose from the pulley must be 4-5 feet from the sector, putting the posts at about 6 feet away depending on the overhang. See a good diagram from Gill:

http://www.gillathletics.com/facilityCD/PDF2006/Cages/8030-PDF06.pdf

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published at May 15th 2008 4:30am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Ed O

My question about entering the ring isn't where you can enter, but whether after you've entered you can walk back out, then enter again, pause and throw?

published at May 15th 2008 4:43am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from cownuttz

Does anyone need a laugh? This is a javelin thrower at Monmouth U. in NJ. He fouled the throw with his forehead! So, funny. They said he laid there cause he was so embarrassed.

published at May 15th 2008 5:05am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Tony Dziepak

The rules say yes--in fact, you can even exit after an aborted, but unreleased attempt as long as you get one off in your time limit. But nobody does, or they ask the official for permission, because you never know what the official thinks the rules are.

published at May 15th 2008 5:21am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Bud Rasmussen

The Maui meet series schedule is:

Tue May 13: Women & Men "B" sections

We May 14: Women & Men "A" sections

Th May 15: Women & Men "B" sections

Fr May 16: Women & Men "A" sections


-Bud Rasmussen

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published at May 15th 2008 6:15am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Ed O

That was my understanding too Tony, however that apparently isn't the case in Nebraska anymore. The "official" interpretation from someone at our State Activities Association was that a put started when the thrower entered the ring. Therefore stepping out, even if you hadn't begun to throw was a foul.

I'm just aggravated because there doesn't seem to be a clear rule that defines any of this, and it seems like the kind of thing that should be simple. The case that describes it was removed from the casebook a couple years ago, and in it's place they put a case that seems to say it is illegal to step out, (though not using an actual case of course or anything specific enough to really know for sure).

The specific issue here involved a thrower scraping their feet in the ring to get ready and scraping outside the painted circle (why they can't drop $150 to at least buy a metal insert is a whole other story). The official called foul immediately before they even began to prepare to throw.

published at May 15th 2008 12:17pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from bedubis

Is this old news?

published at May 15th 2008 12:31pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from ngthrower

anybody heard anything yet?

published at May 15th 2008 1:04pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from keller

Men's Shot is 8pm on Friday, Men's Disc is 5pm on Saturday.

published at May 15th 2008 1:21pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from 40Footer

I would love a huge mark but is there a little voice that says it's a mark in a different class? If I were a sprinter and I went 9.6 with a 10+ windreading I would accept it but yeild to the small w.

published at May 15th 2008 1:29pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from battlethrower

Women
Hammer Friday 10:30am
Shot Friday 6:00PM
Jav Friday 8:00pm
Disc Saturday 7:30pm

Men
Jav Friday 5:00pm
Shot Friday 8:00pm
Hammer Saturday 10:30am
Disc Saturday 5:00pm

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published at May 15th 2008 4:11pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Bud Rasmussen

Notes: Athletes faced 'kona' winds for second straight day, although this day featured tailwinds from the left rather than crosswinds from the left, along with cooler temperatures and a few rain sprinkles. Jarred Rome was physically unable to compete (flu). Ian Waltz chose not to compete (plans to compete on Friday in Maui and Sunday in Los Angeles at the Adidas Track Classic instead). Jason Tunks had to withdraw from competition due to injury (pre-existing ankle injury).



Though the weather conditions have been a disappointment, the athletes really seem to be enjoying themselves and building great comraderie with each other. It's really fun to watch this interaction as talks inevitably loom toward Eugene and Beijing dreams and plans. So not all has been lost thus far and optimism remains for better results to come this week no matter what type of weather conditions occur.



Day 3 (Thursday, May 15) will feature "B" sections once again.



Mahalo,



-Bud



OFFICIAL RESULTS



Women's "A" Section



1) Trafton, Stephanie (USA/unattached) 60.23m/197-7

Series: 60.23m, 59.51m, 58.59m, 57.80m, F, 59.32m



2) Breisch, Becky (USA/Nike) 58.97m/193-5

Series: 57.53m, F, 58.97m, 53.71m, 55.30m, F



3) Thurmond, Aretha (USA/Nike) 58.38m/191-6

Series: 57.15m, F, 57.01m, 58.38m, 57.52m, 56.40m



4) Powell, Suzy (USA/Asics) 58.25m/191-1

Series: F, 56.76m, 57.81m, 56.76m, 52.30m, 58.25m



5) Barnes, Cecilia (USA/unattached) 57.49m/188-7

Series: 57.29m, 55.22m, 56.96m, 57.49m, 52.80m, 53.25m



6) Faumuina, Beatrice (NZL/Reebok) 57.48m/188-7

Series: 56.31m, 57.48m, 55.13m, 55.71m, 56.08m, 52.88m



7) Pierson, Summer (USA/unattached) 54.88m/180-0

Series: 53.60m, 54.88m, 52.00m, 52.15m, 53.04m, 51.77m



Varner, Rachel (USA/unattached) 52.07m/170-10

Series: 49.98m, 52.07m, 50.61m, 48.23m, F, 50.31m





Men

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published at May 15th 2008 6:34pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from jsalexanderson

Anyone got any good ideas of place to throw in the greater Boston area?

Looking for a place to throw that won't get kicked off of, that is safe and don't need a permit.

Need more open space!

published at May 15th 2008 9:02pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Tony Dziepak

If that is the case, then you should tell your thrower to next throw with a running South African because if the throw begins when you first touch inside, there is no opportunity to establish a stationary position *before* stating the throw and *after* entering the circle. They are contradictory. That is definitely a misinterpretation of the rules.

published at May 15th 2008 10:59pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from 70footer

QUESTION?????

WHO are the top 10 most IMPORTANT throwers in shot putting history.???

here is my list , what do others ringers think??? I based it on momumental developments ,followed by monumental throws and then wins in major competitions

10
-andrei 3 wr in one day , olympic champ in 84



9-Werner Gunthor , 74'4'' , 3 time WC ,and oly bronze medalist

8-John Godina , 3 time WC, and oly silver medalist

7-michael carters 81 ft. added over 9 feet to the previous record, not only has the record stood since 1979, but no other HS athlete has come within 5 feet of the record in that time.

6-dallas long added 4.5 feet, broke record 7 times , oly champ in 64


5-randy matson first man over 70 feet , broke record by nearly 3 feet and held it for 8 years. , oly gold in 68

4-ulf timmerman wins 88 games with olympic record, record still stands, 20 years later , best of 75'8'' , first man over 23 meters.

3-randy barnes wr stood for 17 years, first major medalist to a spinner, oly gold and silver, and WC win.

2-Brian Oldfield 75 feet stood for 11 years and broke existing record by over 3 feet , later broke the AR, first to give the spin real credence.

1-perry O'brien-first man over 60, 61,62, and 63 feet ,broke wr 17 times , adding over 5 ft to the record and winning 2 gold medals oly in 52 and 56


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published at May 15th 2008 11:09pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Viking

-Barnes,"first major medalist to a spinner" ???

-Oldfield,"75 feet stood for 11 years and broke existing record by over 3 feet , later broke the AR, first to give the spin real credence. " ???

EVER heard of a thrower named BARYSHNIKOV ??? Olympic medals in 76 and 80 ??? With the spin ? And a drug tested WR ? The 75ft didn't stay for 11 years because it never was a WR...

published at May 15th 2008 11:42pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Viking

Well,i think

1)O'Brien . Because he wasn't content with what existed and found a new way.A true pioneer and ,for me, the single most important athlete ever,perhaps along with Fosbery for the same reason.The rest no matter how good just followed.
I cannot say the same for the spin,because we don't know the first that practiced it.

2)Beyer.Most dominant ever.For almost a decade,shotput meets with him in went for second place.Superb longevity.

3)Timmermann.The O'Brien technique taken to extreme.First ever above 23m.

4)Matson.The perfect bodytype for a thrower,won every big title in sight.Throwers after him were picked differently,not only for their strength but also for long levers.

5)Barnes.The longest standing WR,a great technical model.Too bad his name will always have the shadow of drugs over him.

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published at May 15th 2008 11:55pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from 40Footer

time to hit up the universities. I had the problem last season that every circle was either used by a HS or retired and the sector was used as a t-ball field everyday. From 3-7:30 it was all off limits to I asked to train with a college and help out their kids while I was there and bingo, major circle time and some training partners.

published at May 16th 2008 12:26am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/