"The Ring" archive entries from Mar 26th 2008

    Quote from COACH GEORGE

    Nueroscientists believe that children best learn in a dynamic environment full of motion and the manipulation of physical objects. People with different motor experiences think in different ways.
    "Argo Ergo Cognito" I act therefore I think. Drill work is important and the ability to work for a "Feel" inorder to develop a kinesthetic sense is imperative.
    In Acts 4:9 it says that Saul fell to the ground. Is the donkey part assumed as well as the reason for his conversion?:)

    published at Mar 26th 2008 1:19am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from Scott B.

    Im in my second year throwing the hammer, I have been learning how to 4-turn, and it seems that I have no increase in speed from turn 3 to turn 4. Is there any specific ways I can improve this.

    I have been throwing lighter implements to work on speed, but I was wondering would it be a better idea to throw a heavier hammer like an 18lber. or stick to throwing the 14lbs for speed.

    published at Mar 26th 2008 1:40am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    published at Mar 26th 2008 1:57am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from w8coach

    Brad,
    It is my contention that that auto pivot feeling is all part of of a carefully executed plan from training to meets. I train my throwers to drill in the small pieces of drills from the front to the back at the slowest possible speed they can move and successfully move through the drills. This ensures successful repititions and mimmics the proper feel.
    Mickey

    published at Mar 26th 2008 2:13am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from w8coach

    Brad,
    So true. I was told and coached that the value of your ability to find the proper feel during wam-ups will likely dictate the success of the feel you have to use in competition. I sometimes fall into the "coach" diring comp and you are right , it's a mistake in most respects. I believe the tech adjustments the eleites make are through some simulated, slow drills off the the side between throws. I'm with you ,Brad, I don't think anyone does well with verbal ques during comps.

    Mickey

    published at Mar 26th 2008 4:23am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from CoachW

    I would have to agree with AG. YOu really learn a lot about your technique and speed potential from throwing very light objects. Throwing modest distances allow you to think a lot. I fooled around with a 3lb hammer one time and one thing I had to learn was that you just cant think, you have to go and hope that your technique will be there. Then go back with heavier balls and work on refining technique, repping it out and then test again with the light balls. Generally most of your volume should be with the 14-16-18 (pretty standard for most throwers), but if I were you I would find the weight that allows the best technique, rhythm and speed and then go a kilo up and a kilo down. Smaller percentage of throws with very light balls and very heavy balls for specific strength work. If your young you can develop good foot speed. Its a lot harder to do that later in life (Nikulin's approach). Looking back I forced myself to adapt to a 16lb hammer before developing good technique and then tried to change already ingrained bad motor patterns. You know what helped? A 7 year layoff. Dont think you want to go that route. Anyway thats my 2 cents. Its hard to give specific guidance - everyone works differently.

    published at Mar 26th 2008 11:00am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    published at Mar 26th 2008 12:20pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    published at Mar 26th 2008 12:41pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from Coach Mac

    Brad and Mickey...ahh the brain and throwing. I think you are both correct. 9 times out of 10 "it" gets in the way.
    Technical events draw technical people. More oftern than not the KISS (K eep I t S imple S tupid) is the method to go with. As experianced coaches I assume we all see 2-3-4 technical issues on any given throw. WHAT verbal/visual cue you PICK is perhaps the "art" of coaching. Knowing your athlete and having a good coaching "language" is important and less coaching is almost always better.

    Great topic- mac

    published at Mar 26th 2008 12:52pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from Glenn McAtee

    If you are having trouble accelerating from 3 to 4 turns, perhaps you should only be doing 3 turns.
    4 turns in not better, it just gives people a chance to have a longer active path of the hammer. However, some people do not need that extra turn, so don't waste time trying to fix something that you might not need.
    Sedykh attempted to throw with 4 turns, but it never helped him throw farther so he abandoned it and went back to three turns.
    Glenn

    published at Mar 26th 2008 6:44pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from CoachY

    While I agree with Coach McAtee regarding the effectiveness of three turns vs four, do not lose sight of the fact that you are a second year thrower. Four turn hammer throwing is like everything else in track and field: the more you practice, hopefully the more proficient you will get.

    Such a young training age leads me to believe there may be postural or balance issues which are leading to your inability to accellerate the hammer from turn 3 to 4. In my opinion the more 4 turn reps you do, the more you (and your coach) will correct those issues putting you in a better position to move faster on 4.

    published at Mar 26th 2008 8:24pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

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