Quote from Omega4ul
Can she be the second Athlete of the Week? She is having an amazing year and she just increased her personal best by .6 meters in order to win SEC Conference Championships. Since she has been in the States (3 months) she has increased her PB by almost 2 meters. I am really impressed and excited to see her progression. Congrats Coach Frazier!
published at Mar 4th 2008 1:31am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Hank Slam
My opinion is formed from my recent meniscus tear, and the information that the Orthopedic Dr. gave me. (This may only be true for an old fart like me, but worth considering!). Most all tears of the menicus come from a deep squat position. Alot of people tear them just getting something out of the low cabinet beaneath their sinks.
Funny, years and years all I did were POWER Squats, but then I had to get fancy at 47 years of age! Laughing at myself!
Ha! Ron McKee
published at Mar 4th 2008 3:08am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Coach Mac
Kept getting text's all weekend from the ASU Conferance meet.
Whitings throw ranks him right behind Terry Albrittons bomb (WOW )
I think Tai Battle had to come up big ( a meter or so) in the wt-throw too qualify for indoors so I think the ASU crew is getting it done !!!
I'm glad to see that Coach Dumbles "all rookie" award from Iron Wood was well deserved...grin
Speaking of which: there is a May 1rst deadline for coaching spots. I would get a hold of Bud Rasmussen (this site) or GOOGLE Iron Wood Throws Camp for an e-mail address.
Have a GREAT Day!
published at Mar 4th 2008 3:33am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from tomsonite
Here's my experience on the issue (I was 21 when this all happened) In december I suffered bone contusions in my knees while throwing the weight, it wasn't really from throwing the weight though, its because I'm a jackass...long story short I get lots of swelling and lose range of motion in my knees. The athletic trainers originally told me it was menisus tears. Then I went to see a sports orthopedist who told me it was just bone contusions, essentially bruises on the bone.
He said that for the time being I shouldn't do anything involving more than 30 degrees of flexion until the swelling goes down. I immediately asked him his opinion on deep squatting, and he said I can return to doing them as soon as the swelling had gone away and my ROM were back 100%. After 3 months I'm back to parallel squatting with minimal strain in my right knee, hopefully I'll be going ATG by the summer.
published at Mar 4th 2008 4:35am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from KSCTHROWER
I've already got it pretty set That I'm going to do the ATGs, I'm going to play it by ear though and listen to my body. Afterall I'm not a lifter I hate lifting actually lol.
I'm just trying to get my strength up so I can throw farther. once I get to the point in my weight program where I'm going to have to push really Heavy weight (for me anyway) I wont force it. I really feel that the snatches and cleans and they exercises which specifically strengthen my turns.
published at Mar 4th 2008 5:07am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from andy
I imagine it may have a lot to do with individual thrower style. For example Balasz Kiss very deep knee bend, probably as a junior had good results in high bar, ATG olympic type squats.
Maybe Ziolkowski, as a junior practiced a lot of half squats to correspond with a very upright technique. But Im only guessing.
Both threw around 83m.
For me, I found a 190k ATG squat sufficient to throw 68m in hammer. I preferred them
published at Mar 4th 2008 5:18am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from JRapp
I used to do a lot of lighter ATG squats. I think ATGs really help to develop starting strength meaning it helps you to effectively explode out of lower positions. Anything heavy was done from a half squat position with squat racks at about the half way point. Lower down to the racks then back up and so forth. A lot of my higher volume lower intensity squats were ATG or 1 1/4 squats as used to call them. Developing strength in that very low position which is also the point at which you are the weakest is very valuable. And, developing really good high end strength (half squat) is also very valuable. As long as the ATG squats are done at a 505, 401, 302 etc... tempo I done see any problems occurring with the knees. In fact doing the really deep tempo squats has helped my athletes with overall squat power and overall olympic lifting power. Not to mention better throwing.
published at Mar 4th 2008 6:15am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Christian Salas
JRAPP, what do you mean by "505, 302" etc. tempo? Does that mean 5 seconds on the way down, 0 seconds at the bottom, and 5 seconds back up for instance?
Also, my 2 cents are that ATG squats are fine for light weights, but the lower back can really take a beating if that's all you use. At least that's my experience.
I'm currently experimenting with box squats and smith machine squats to alleviate the load on the back, since I'm doing a lot of Olympic lifts, throws and jumping right now.
ps And when I say "smith machine squats" I really mean leaning a regular barbell against the back of the power rack, putting the feet out in front, back in a straight up and down position and doing parallel squats that way. Sort of like Brian Oldfield used to do. Makes a cool screeching sound too!
pps in case anyone reading this thread is too shy to ask what ATG stands for, it's "Arse To Ground".
published at Mar 4th 2008 8:13am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Mr.Incredible
It happens with age. As soon as you hit 40 the metabolism shuts down no matter how hard you work, and no matter how many plain skinless chicken breasts you eat. I'd rather lift heavy, throw and enjoy food than doing endless amounts of cardio and eat salads all day. everything in moderation
published at Mar 4th 2008 8:31am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Christian Salas
I was fortunate to have a dialog with Olympic Olympic Lifting Champ Tommy Kono, and he stressed that ATG squats were good for shot putters. He also had some analogies of shot putting in his book. He seemed to be coming from the angle that ATGs build full muscle development, starting strength and flexibility. FWIW.
published at Mar 4th 2008 8:33am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from KSCTHROWER
Mostly all Training is Anectodotal.
If there was a specific step by step guide to throwing the hammer/shot/discus, 83m/22m/70m respectively then we would have alot more people in that range. There are plenty of throwers who have greater numbers than many of the top throwers in the world... Really doesnt mean anything.
For me right now i"m trying to fill in the weaknesses.. Not Muscular weaknesses (plenty of that however) But the reasons why I'm not throwing as far as I want to.
What I'm trying to figure is what would be better.... ex.
5 sets of 3 at... 300lbs ATG... or 5 sets of 3 at 340lbs Parallel... ANDY I agree with you completely with the type of thrower you are determining your strength or how you should approach your training.
However while those 83m throwers are trying to maintain there distances. I'm looking to gain significantly... 10-20m would be nice LOL. I'm thinking for all around strength working on full range of motion is probably best right now considering I am trying to gain a little more mass.
published at Mar 4th 2008 8:40am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from FSUThrower
I would like to become a member of a Track & Field club. Do you have to live in the region of the country of where the track club is located to become a member of it? Does anyone have any recommendations of track clubs to join that have throwers as members?
Thank you very much.
published at Mar 4th 2008 9:55am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Joe
Does anyone know what Ryan's Strengths were in High School when he threw 70 feet VS now in College throwing 70 feet?
published at Mar 4th 2008 10:52am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Mark G.
I remember asking Ryan about his training when he was early in his senior year (before he had committed to ASU).
I knew he was strong but when he told me that he had benched over 400lb, squatted near 600lb, deadlifted nearly 600lb (and his oly lifts were just as impressive), I was a bit shocked.
Glenn T. could probably give more accurate numbers than I could (should he choose to chime in).
Great kid. Cracked me up on several occasions.
published at Mar 4th 2008 11:28am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from CanuckHT
The difference between parallel (top of thigh parallel to the floor) and all the way to the floor, realistically doesn't matter.
Once you get to a parallel position and you have to come back up you have enough of a (what I call lateral Q-angle) to effectively engage the hams and the glutes. The problem comes when you don't have a spot to tell you that it's low enough.
Can you damage your knees from doing things too deep - sure, but you can damage your knees doing a lot of things. If you PROGRESS to doing heavy squats deep your chances decrease significantly with more experience and proper execution. Other things need to be considered like pelvic angle and lumbar spine curvature while squatting as when those are neglected injuries sooner than later are inevitable.
There are 47 studies showing that there is no dangerous amount of stress on the knees from squatting deep and there are major benefits. There are far less studies which actually state that squatting to parallel or higher is better for you. Having said that PLEASE don't argue the exceptions to the rule - that's why they are exceptions.
Once you get to parallel or lower you create not only a stronger muscle, BUT there is also a hormonal, neurologica and biochemical response by using bigger muscles of course. On top of that the deeper you go, the more you engage the midsection muscles.
There is a time to use more shallow squats and a time not to. It should also be said that you need to be with someone who knows what they're doing and knows what to watch when you're lifting.
Squatting does not have to be EVENT SPECIFIC in it's execution or positions to be effective. Some coaches like to make it too specific and others use it as a supplement to their event area or sport.
I'm a big fan of building athletic throwers - building strong and fast/explosive etc. ATHLETES, not strong throwers, or gymnasts or vaulters...athletic throwers will increase their ceiling of success more than just someone who is strong or someone who is two dimensional.
Squatting deep is great for throwers, vaulters, bobsledders, swimmers, fencers, badminton players...hell I'm sure even your darts game will get better!
So parallel or to the floor - while you use more motor units over a larger range of motion doing it one way over the other - really you're engaged the largest muscles in the body and getting the results that you should from squatting.
Perfect Practice Makes Perfect!
published at Mar 4th 2008 1:54pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Mike Curiel
I have heard that squatting ATG actually takes some of the stress of squatting off of your knees and transfers more of this stress from the knees to the hips at the lowest(bottom) and most stressful position of the squat. Has anyone ready anything that supports this?
published at Mar 4th 2008 4:07pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from jsalexanderson
How are the other outdoor events shaping up? Men's Disc, Hammer, Javelin
Women's Disc, Hammer and Javelin?
published at Mar 4th 2008 7:52pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/