Quote from JRapp
I think it's funny that Cantwell feels it was a given that he would have broken the World Record if he had a better shot. The question that comes to mind is why didn' the have his own, proper equipment? Why was he depending on Hoffa and Nelson to supply him with impliments? Weird. The whole "I would have thrown 4 feet further" line is another odd comment. It seems to me that the guy can be too delicate at times. Almost like if everything isn't exactly how he wants it...everything goes to shit. How often are things going to be ideal? I get the feeling that he is mentally (or emotionally) at a disadvantage. I don't get the feeling like he has the I don't care killer instinct that would allow him to be successful no matter the circumstances. Then again I did see him throw 22.11m in very cold rain at Drake a few years, so I could be dead wrong on this. I don't know....I think the verdict is still out on Cantwell. He still has a lot to do before he solidifies his legacy in this sport. I really want to see how he handles the high pressure situations he will face this year.
published at Feb 27th 2008 12:23am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Griff
Just curious, the USATF does not have any listings for national records for junior athletes indoors. I have an 18yr old female that threw 19.84 in the 20# weight throw and I was wondering where that would rank her.
published at Feb 27th 2008 12:25am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Tony Dziepak
I used to keep accurate age records. I know Amarachi Ukabam threw 19.32 @ 18, but haven't checked for 2008. That's the best I've heard for 18-year olds although I may have missed some marks--now that Tilastopaja.com is a pay site, I can't easily get birthdates.
At age 19,
Brittany Riley threw 22.99 and
Jenny Dahlgren threw 21.58, but this was in the calendar year they turned 20, so it wouldn't be eligible for an IAAF/USATF junior record. (Aside from the fact that IAAF doesn't do junior indoor records, and even if they did, they wouldn't do it for weight throw--although USATF would.)
published at Feb 27th 2008 12:41am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from 70footer
I really can't comment on someones mental strength , because perhaps the hardest lesson we learn in life is pushing thru regardless of the conditions , regardless of the distractions, lack of support, love, or all the above...so I really leave quite alot of leeway here knowing how delicate and dificult a matter it is for all of us.
However regarding being prepared at a meet? I was taught by my coach MAC WILKINS to be FULLY prepared regardless and maybe someone will find his wisdom to be of value...so regardless of what could go wrong and regardless of what could go right...when I broke a shoe lace in a big meet and fell short of what I could accomplish , he mildly suggested that in the future perhaps I would have an EXTRA pair of shoe laces for just in case....
when I got a flat tire on the way to the airport for a meet and was all flustered when I arrived at the meet , his suggestion was to leave the house two hours earlier in case I get a flat...
when I won first place one week and then was beat by the guy in second the next week , he said "when you beat someone is not when you relax but when you have to really be on gaurd , cuz that is the one that wants you more than the rest"
another time when it was really hot at a meet and the shot slipped off my neck , he asked me where my chalk was? I replied i didn't throw with chalk , and Mac answered "You do now.."
The point is that after awhile I got the message , I packed my bag with extra shoelaces , chalk, extra shoes , extra shots , extra underwear ,even had rain shoes for a meet in July ,whatever I would need I had more than one...so if I needed a smaller shot it would be my responsibility to bring it and becuase what is really in that bag is that fact that I am arriving WITHOUT any possible excuses...
published at Feb 27th 2008 12:50am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Walt S
I spoke with Ian at jumpstart about getting a 128mm indoor shot from Jumpstart athletics last week. At the time he said he had the shells coming in later in the week and he fills them himself.(with tungsten mix) I believe he told me that Cantwell had one on order with him. Maybe the shot just didn't get there in time.
published at Feb 27th 2008 1:28am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from rlasorsa
Don't beleive everything that you read. This was not much of a "controversy."
Christian had actually ordered a 128mm from JumpStart that would have been to him in time for the meet, but it got held up in Customs and shipping from Canada because of the bad weather.
Outdoor shots are being thrown in Valencia, so none of this will be a problem.
published at Feb 27th 2008 1:30am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from w8coach
Thanks for sharing that story. it is the lesson that we are ultimately in control of how we approach each and every situation, deal with unforseen changes to our plans, and most importantly, how and what we learn about ourselves during these instances. The records and the championships by themselves are forged by the struggle that it took to get there in the first place.
published at Feb 27th 2008 1:41am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Viking
BEFORE ANYONE CAN GET REPECT YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CULTURE WHERE YOU DON'T INTRODUCE YOURSELF FIRST. WE DON'T KNOW YOUR NAME OR ANYTHING ABOUT YOU ?
I understand what you're saying,but in my book a name doesn't mean a thing.
Being truthful ,speaking when it counts and being honest means much more.
What people say makes them,not the other way around.
I am personally tired of people posting with their real names and talking LIES all the time.
How about you ?
BOTTOM LINE...shit happens !
I DON'T THINK 1-INDOOR PERFORMANCE IS INDICATIVE OF A CONSPIRACY THEORY----DRUG TIRADE EITHER !
1)It's not one meet,all meets this year are way down and many meets all the years before this one have been always up and down....21m once,19m the next one.How about last year's World's ?
2)Where were Coach Smith when all those athletes of the past had injuries ? When they were sick ? When shit happened for THEM ? OR was it drugs only for THEM ?
Do the Americans have a copyright for performance drops due to Jet Lag,sickness or injuries ?
Re-read your golden rule please !
WELL I'M AVAILABLE FROM 11-AM TOO 5-PM MON-FRI AND 3-6 ON SUNDAYS moorpark college-93021 REA CODE IF ANYONE WANTS TO FLY TOO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND TAKE ME OUT. A) I DON'T THINK I'M THAT IMPORTANT (MY WIFE REMINDS ME OF THAT ON A DAILY BASIS)
Good for you !
B) I HAVE TOO ASSUME THAT COACH SMITH WAS ONE OF THE THREE DEATH THREATS AND DAN TAYLOR WAS #2 BECAUSE THAT IS who YOU ARE IMPUNING ? HOW SILLY OF ME....CONNIE PRICE-SMITH HAS TO BE #3...SO NOW THE WHOLE CONSPIRACY-THING MAKES SENSE.
1)Kevin Toth's coach (Armythrows nickname here) when i accused his thrower for drugs and i came out RIGHT a few months after.
3)Another one who shall remain anonymous who thinks i'm Anti-American and will "shoot me on the spot with my 9er" when he sees me...
For the first ,i was right but at some time i think i went too far and the penalty was enough.So i apologized here in the Ring.And i meant my apology.
For the Tunks case,i might have gone to far into the conversation and both helped each other to get a bit out of line.But the threat was way way too much for me to handle.I would have apologized if the threat wasn't there.Now,being close to 300 pounds all my life i think i can beat and send to the hospital 99.9% of the polulation,but i have NEVER threatened to beat anyone EVER.This is new territory for me and tough to handle..
The third is a nutcase and i hope the exception.But he's there...
I can debate all day long with anyone on this planet,but when things get way out of hand and personal threats appear,there has to be a line drawn.I cannot tell who is and who isn't serious,but i think you understand that it's better to be safe than sorry.
And i say this half hearted,because i have emailed to a lot of people and many people have emailed me who i believe are worthy of a lot of respect and i cannot tell them who i am because as you say "shit happens".
May i also say that i have changed my email to which the Ringers can message me about 5 times because some think they can make my life harder if they flood my account with 200 spam every day,so i open a new account...
I'D BE WILLING TO BET THAT YOU ARE NOT IN THE LINE OF FIRE (AKA-ON A PAD SOMEWHERE ) SPENDING 40 + HOURS A WEEK DEVELOPING THROWERS AT ANY LEVEL ?
ON ANOTHER SITE THEY ARE CONVINCED YOU ARE AN EX-DDR SHOT PUTTER. I RAN INTO SOMEONE WHO SAID YOU ARE A MIDDLE AGED THROWING FAN FROM NORWAY ?
PERHAPS WE CAN PLAY 20-QUESTIONS AND TURN THIS INTO A FUNDRAISER FOR CANTWELLS NEW 128-MM SHOT SO HE CAN BREAK THE INDOOR WR ?
I am in the line of fire but with far less hours a week,having a group of few and councelling another few,most of who will be in the Olympics this year and some were in the last.I also have participated in Olympics final.Northern descent and half name.All i can say.
Have a great day Coach Mac.
published at Feb 27th 2008 3:50am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Frank
I know that there are quite a few college coaches that read the boards, I'm trying to help out one of my high school girl pole vaulter's get some collegiate exposure and I'm having trouble tracking down emails of coaches at the schools she's interested in. Does anyone have any advice as to tracking this kind of information down?
This girl is a senior who has a 4.0+ GPA, and has cleared 12-0 last year as a junior. She was South Carolina state champ as a sophomore, runner up last year as a junior......she's a great kid, I'm trying to help her out as best as I can.
published at Feb 27th 2008 3:51am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Hank Slam
Rob, I had to laugh because I learned the same things about being prepared, as you did. Of course, we did grow up together in the San Jose throwing community. I also got from Mac Wilkens the idea of wearing two different shoes. On my left, a shoe that allowed me to turn but also get a great push off. On my right, a very fast spinning type of shoe. Shoe laces, yes, pack extras! Bring your own wrist tape, chalk, shot/discus/hammer/javelin etc. Good stuff Rob! It also speaks volumes about a man, Mac Wilkens, who would "teach" and mentor us kids. Feuerbach, Powell, Stadel, Tafralis were all equally sharing of information. All of us coached each other and shared the "knowledge" because at some point we all threw with one another. My point is, isn't that the greatest purpose of a forum such as this? If we just walk by a kid and he is doing the worst standing throw you've ever seen, don't just walk by and shake your head. Take five minutes and give out some knowledge. IF WE DON'T TEACH IT THEN WHO WILL. ITS TIME TO CARRY THE TORCH BOYS. FOR SOME OF US, THIS WILL BE OUR FINEST MOMENTS IN THROWING.
Santa Teresa Throws Coach
published at Feb 27th 2008 4:12am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Coach Rodney
Maybe everyone on this site the ring should have grown up in the San Jose area. Now of course you would get the soap box entertainment from times coming from a JP (Powell) to the antics of an Oldfield. But many times in the early 70's thru the 80's that that those were some good times. I haven't been to the Clinic in Hunington Beach, Maybe next year, but this year at Logan, the Slam took part and what a nice thing he did! "To Share or Not to share! Hope your daughter is doing well! Catch you soon ML
published at Feb 27th 2008 4:29am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Tallman
So if you're throwing shoe laces break, how come you can't just take the laces out of your trainers? Surely you don't just go to the meet in your throwing shoes with no other pair?
Good suggestions, I'm just not buying the extra shoe laces...
published at Feb 27th 2008 4:59am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from 70footer
great lesson of life these are , and the fact is when you have a couple good friends to help out as they go thru the same lessons , you can bounce ideas off each other and make a greater impact TOGETHER....the good news is that while the physical accomplishments may have stopped , the mental & emotional imput and sharing have not , so hopefully some others on the ring will also notice the same thing. so you notice I am talking about sharing emotional support and knowledge NOT relying on others to bring your stuff.
and as far as the Cantwell issue I would only add that there is NOT another thrower in the world right now with as much raw talent and physical attributes to throw really far...but only when he learns some of these more important things will such talent be realised when it counts. so it boils down to focus , discipline, and a personal boundry that does not allow for less than what you are capable of , regardless of who is there or where the meet is held. and then you go into that meet and compete with your friends and lift eachother to a higher level by each mans presence, higher than what either could achieve on thier own , BUT ya have to bring and be responsible for your own stuff.
published at Feb 27th 2008 5:15am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from JROQ
What an INCREDIBLE find!!!
It's almost 20 years to the day when this happened, and I guess this rare classic Throws Video just went public here in the States. I remember a few years back on
published at Feb 27th 2008 5:35am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Walt S
It seems to me Cantwell did just fine in what he considered not ideal conditions. He won the USA championships against the no 1 and no 2 throwers in the world from last year. It wasn't like he fell apart because he didn't have what he felt was the optimal shot for himself.
It seems he tried to get the shot he wanted for the competition but it didn't get to him on time. So he threw what he had and won. He did what he could under the circumstances. He just told a reporter he thought he could have thrown farther if he had a better implement for him. I don't agree with him blaming Reese, he could have just said he tried to get the shot he liked but it got held up in customs and one wasn't available at the meet.
published at Feb 27th 2008 5:47am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/