Quote from jayess
Here's a link to a video of Vena's 66'-0.75" throw yesterday.
published at Feb 25th 2008 1:06am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Scott B.
How many guys does the U.S. get to take to Worlds this year in the Shot?? Does Hoffa get a guarentee spot cause he won in 06' or does that only apply for outdoors?
published at Feb 25th 2008 1:14am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from 70footer
how in the world????? ok so he looks very mature for 14 years old....but the technique is not that polished , he doesn't seem overly explosive , doesn't look overly powerful or fast....how in the hell did that thing go 66 feet!!!
published at Feb 25th 2008 1:19am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from jucs
Maybe what we have here is someone who is a "thrower". Put anything in his hand and he's connected up to throw it far. I would bet if you stuck a football in his hand and he knew how to throw it, it would go FAR.
Just a thought...
published at Feb 25th 2008 1:22am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from LetItRip
Rules, Interpretations, whatever...
It gives a rotational thrower a clear added advantage of a linear-horizontal push that he would have to attempt to achieve(to a greater degree) with very good position/balance/technique...
I live for the rotation technique, but cant deny this fact.. I have seen many of our best throwers do it at all levels.. It's simply something that exists for rotational thrower based on the design and dynamics of the rotational technique, and obviously not available to the glider. (outside of some push off leverage for the front of the foot for non-heeling gliders(oldfield)...
It happens with Discus too on occasion.. (Duh! Rotational)
Like KK said.. if we just utilized the painted line, wed have no issue
my 2 cents..
published at Feb 25th 2008 1:32am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from 70footer
so I have decided Nck Vena is the second coming of RANDY MATSON....not overly powerful, big, or explosve, and no great technique...but he does do something very well that may be the most important thing of all...similiar to throwing a punch , you don't want to stop at the point of impact, rather you want to go all the way thru the point of impact to the other side.
Vena seems to go all the way thru his throw , from the rear to the reverse is one movement , he also contacts the ground and the shot the same way and doesn't pull off it, doesn't push thru it...nothing special , just goes all the way thru.
I think most of us DO to much , we don't settle into the ground we don't go with the shot, we get rid of it...he seems to just go all the way thru the throw without any particular thought of movement...anybody have anything to add to this ???
published at Feb 25th 2008 2:25am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from w8coach
I agree with the painted rear of the circle and is the change I stated in an earlier post. The ring was constructed with only the glider type of tech in mind. With some mant using the spin we need to level the playing field out of the back and make the back of the ring equal for both styles.
As far as an leverage advantage I' have to disagree. It is like the glide, even though the hell is the last to leave the ground in the Feurbach style of the glide, the push comes from the toes. If it were advantageous sprinters and jumpers would run on the heel to the toes during their events to gain a leverage advantage if it truly existed. It's an obtuse and close minded way of thinking for those won't even entertain looking at ONLY a change in the back of the ring design to accommodate both tech. stlyes. A quarter inch high rim at the back would be an improvement and still give the glider, if they truly use the ring, a place to push off.
published at Feb 25th 2008 2:44am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Coach Rodney
"If you entered a chili cook-off and the rules said you weren't allowed to use pork and you decide to use a ground mixture of 10% pork and 90% beef, you can't argue that you aren't using pork because you are using pork AND beef."
Sounds like cheating to me!
published at Feb 25th 2008 3:13am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from dmac
his greatness, but now a take on why. Look closely at his take off and notice where his left is. Unlike most rotational throwers, he is torqued and ready to strike during flight. No delay upon landing...very efficient. The long levers help, but the movements and positions preceding the strike sets the stage for the throw. The fact that he is 6-2, 260+, and athletic helps his case. I think he needs to take this (his training)slowly and think long term. Keep reps to a minimum and not create overuse injuries which will develop in talent identified and overtrained at an early age. Chances are the kid will not play football or basketball and train year round which in my opinion is a mistake.
This kid has a special talent and will need a break from the throwing periodially---any plans for this in the future?
Anyway..my "dollar general" thoughts on the matter.
published at Feb 25th 2008 3:26am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from 70footer
I once used pork in my Chili and only got bad gas....it doesn't help....we should make our Chili as per the guidlines , becuase damn it the national championships of CHILI cookoffs will not allow for such bad gas and will lead to our early demise!!!
published at Feb 25th 2008 4:09am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from LetItRip
I agree on the good torqued position.. no question.. I really think its Godina looking...
that said.. technique will only go so far of course like power.. but he has to be strong.. Is he the second coming of Gary Gubner ?
Would love to know what his olympic lifts are ? Is he even doing them at this point ? He is only 14 ?
The thing that gets me is the MASSIVE progression he has made..
and i keep going back to the same thing.. outside of the fact that he might become the greatest thrower of all time at this level or one of the.. Im dying to know what he did over past 2 years, because it obviously was very EFFECTIVE.
To go from 43 with a 8.8lb to 66' with a 12lb in about 2 years is amazing, and id love to know what kind of training he was doing, and the fact that i don't see any results of him throwing in this time ? Could this have been an advantage ? Would love to find this info.. Intriguing to say the least..
In 2005 at 12 years old kid who beat him at nationals Alex Garza threw 43'11, where Nick threw 43' (im guessing with a 4K)
Last July the Garza kid threw 55' at nationals(14 years old). Vena didnt compete, and i dont see any marks thus far this year for Garza.
From what we have heard, Nick hit 54 feet last year in 8th grade (whew!) and if thats true he was pretty much even with the Garza kid.. But since then +12 Feet.. What training is he doing this year for those improvements.. amazing..
What is this info worth ? nothing of course.. just a comparison to show incredible progress made over past 2 years for Nick..
published at Feb 25th 2008 4:10am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from muller
Why didn't Blewitt throw at Indoors? Travel problems due to the weather? Just curious. How has she been throwing anyway?
published at Feb 25th 2008 5:24am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/