"The Ring" archive entries from Jan 30th 2008

  • Quote from tomsonite

    I just got the new issue of LSTJ today, began flipping though it and came across the article "How Strong is Strong Enough?", a study done by Mike Stone and Gavin Moir. It turns out that Dr. Moir is now a professor in the Exercise Science department where I go to school.

    I showed him that his study ended up in LSTJ, and he said something interesting. In the last line of the study he and Mike Stone said "you can never be too strong." Dr. Moir then told me that since he published that, he had done further research which indicated that while strength is obviously helpful for athletes like throwers, if a thrower were to make big strength gains quickly, then their coordination could be negatively effected. To quote him directly, "It could take a thrower or other athlete a few months to re-learn their technique with the new, added strength." He didn't have time to go into further details about it, but I may ask him more if I get a chance.

    Some of you probably already knew that but I just thought I'd share.

    published at Jan 30th 2008 2:01am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from Kap

    I read the article and, honestly, I don't have much sympathy for this situation. City of Eugene told them in 1995 that they had 10 yrs to find another place and they did nothing?? If a coach was that neglect in the planning/training of their athletes they'd get hung out to dry for that.
    Sounds like lots of sour grapes that could easily have been avoided.

    published at Jan 30th 2008 2:59am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from Andy Bloom

    Before I respond, who is tgthrower? Perhaps he has stepped out from behind the pseudonym before and I missed it, but if you are going to present your feelings about someones capabilities and character, then perhaps you should let everyone else have fair shots at your own.

    I credit, and have always credited, Criss and Rita tremendously for the direction my career went. My first team was in 1991 and Criss was a coach on that staff. He supported me, offered suggestion when asked, and taught me a great deal. As I grew up in the sport I worked clinics for Criss and was on other teams that Criss and Rita were on. Criss and Rita represent everything that is right with track and field in this country and have NEVER been on any team for selfish reasons. Their drive and desire to be on teams is to provide the athletes with the best possible opportunity and to do whatever is necessary to help. I have seen Criss work tirelessly to help when he isn't on the staff, but is only in town to be with Rita, and I have seen Rita do the same. Through the educational programs they have overseen, they are familiar and comfortable faces for track athletes, not just throwers, in this country.

    I can't believe this is even an issue. If you have a problem that Criss is on 2 staffs in a row, that is understandable, and your own opinion. Unless you were on the team in 2004 and Criss did something to you, which I doubt, then let it go. I don't know how many US teams you have been on (if it is 0, you should shut the hell up), but I would have been very happy to have Criss or Rita on every staff of every team I was ever on. There is a short list of coaches who are willing to do everything possible for ALL the athletes, not just those they coach or those that may medal. Some of the best coaches for team situations are the coaches you may never have heard of.

    published at Jan 30th 2008 3:03am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

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  • Quote from tgthrower

    Also, except for those couple of athletes (who I am sure Somerlot has made contact with to garner support about this protest pertaining to his being named to the Olympic Staff a second time) such as other Olympic or National Staff Members and past/present USATF Development Committee Members (especially those who are on the throwing development committee) HAVE NOT come to Chris Somerlot's and USATF's defense. Many of these people also read and post on The Ring. Their silence on this issue says quite a bit.

    published at Jan 30th 2008 4:19am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from w8coach

    I will have to respectfully disagree with Mike Stone and John Smith on some points here. First I I have to say that I agree on the claim that an athlete must work on strength and tech at the same time. This is an inevitability if the athlete is going to working on solid positions while moving that are going to have the them be able to resist the increased effects of gravity on their bodies. The additional strength is also used so the forces that are spread over the entire length of a muscle during stretch reflex and the increased muscle size tolerates greater forces.

    Strength has always been the fastest way to throw farther. Athletes that can over power the implements and have great physical size voluntarily contract their muscles much moreso than the true technicians. This expalains the performance enhancing drugs, the quick strength fix.
    Fewer athletes have good tech as they often opt for the quicker route of pure strength. The true technicians are the athletes that compete at the highest percent of their PR's in almost all meets, and are not the biggest or the strongest(Powel , Wilkins, Delis, Feuerbach)
    Lesser athletes are not going to be your world class guys in the first place in almost every example. These athletes need the best possible tech and the most strength to make their modest gains. Agreed, but strength alone is not going to get them there. Why do the world class throwers, with poor tech, still throw far? Strength, I agreee. Could they improve on what they have already achieved, absolutely.
    My fear here is that tech seems to be losing its importance in the eyes of a few because strength is easier to gain than tech. While both are important, solid tech is the most dependable aspect of the equation in my opinion.

    published at Jan 30th 2008 4:23am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

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  • published at Jan 30th 2008 4:48am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

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  • Quote from Christian Salas

    First, Mac I for one would love it if you posted the A&E segment on Tressa on MacThrows.

    Secondly Tressa's story is sad, yet inspirational, especially as she battles back, confronts her demons, and hopefully throws again. It underscores how easy it is for something so seemingly innocuous can sprout into a life altering/endangering condition.

    published at Jan 30th 2008 5:58am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Jan 30th 2008 6:20am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Jan 30th 2008 8:56am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

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