These are the posts from "The Ring" archive on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/ from day Jan 29th 2008

"The Ring" archive entries from Jan 29th 2008
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Quote from tgthrower
It is obvious from the previous postings that the naming of Criss Somerlot to the Olympic Staff for 2008 was, at best, political shenanigans within the USATF, or, at worse, illegal doings within the USATF.
It seems that the largest problem that most people have is that having someone named to two successive Olympic Staffs, whether qualified or not, is simply incompetent.
Although USATF has stated in the past that Olympic Staff members are to be referred to as "Staff" and not "Coaches," many of the releases that USATF puts out stills refers to "Olympic Coaches." Of course it does not help when people such as Criss Somerlot constantly refers to himself as an "Olympic Coach." He puts this in all his advertisement flyers for his company and any other writings or letters that he sends out.
You would think that the USATF would be concerned that their own membership is steadily decreasing, especially with the establishment of the US Track and Cross Country Coaches Association and the National Throws Coaches Association. It is my understanding that both the USTCCCA and NTCA give annual monetary grants to USATF. In my opinion these two tremendously effective coaching organizations should stop such practices as the USATF has shown itself to be a blundering organization that can't get out of its own way. It uses the excuse as being a "volunteer organzation." The USTCCCA and NTCA are also voluteer organizations and they do a much greater service to the sport than USATF does.published at Jan 29th 2008 12:54am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from ThrowersRings
ThrowersRings.com was updated on 1/27. Coach Middleton's Throw Facility has been added to the database.
Please keep sending in rings! Thanks!published at Jan 29th 2008 1:53am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from w8coach
I'm going to sound a little harsh here, but weren't you listening when Adam Nelson and the rest of the people in the know stated that these people are just administrators? IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. The efforts to ensure that the coaches that prepared our country's best to get to and compete well at these comps need to be at every comp so that the athletes hae the best possible chance for success. The things that need to be fixed are not being addressed by preaching to the choir here. I acknowledge your frustrations about the OLy coaching selections but once you realize their function(towel boy) it doesn't matter what is written on their personal letterhead.
published at Jan 29th 2008 1:59am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from tgthrower
w8coach
Administrators yes, but it has been shown that many of these people are not good admininstrators either.published at Jan 29th 2008 2:23am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from Coach Mac
GREAT subject because it affects everyone from the aging athlete past his peak to the neophyte beginner.
Since we are a competitive species this is a personality trait that needs to be nutured. WHY can certain thletes OPEN with winning marks in major competitions ? Yuri Seydech...John Godina and more recently Reese Hoffa come immediately to mind when others Timmerman...Tikon and Nelson can CLOSE with lifetime bests ?
It may come down too individuality ! The World Record is someones p.r. so that FOCUS of trying too hit a p.r.should never change. The rings are the same so my 1.8-cents (sorry the dollar is taking a beating ) is too make practices HARDER than competition.
We had too get a practice in one day and ended up using the pole vault pit platform for a throwing surface. It was weathered and rotten plywood and your foot could go through the surface . It accomplished two things: balance and eventually no FEAR !
There are a couple of situations that are mentally claustrophobic. Holding pens at big meets and even more specific Stanford hammer cage. We have locked athletes in a trunk of a car and a shed full of black widows too LEARN how to conquer the stress. We even dropped water on a ring after the athlete couldn't hit a 90% opener and locked in the shed ...he hit a lifetime best practice p.r.
Good stuff but there is no way you can duplicate not being able to find an open gate in Paris to get your folks into a world championship meet. Or a set -up overseas where the meet management decides to delay the comp by 20-minutes (advantage athlete in the know) but if you have had this type of training (throwing at night with headphones on and blidfolded) it prepares one for stress because ADVSERSITY will HAPPEN !!!
I have to go feed the black-widows...LOL
Have a GREAT DAY !
mac~
p.s. I asked Wolfgang Schmidt if he ever felt the pressure too perform and he said " We had the best training facility and support in East Germany so you SHOULD perform well " so another way of thinking confidently !published at Jan 29th 2008 2:36am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from Brad Reid
Good point from ram that it still is a decent amount of fat to lose if one can do it without attendant muscle loss.
Actually, skeletal muscle is about 18% denser or heavier than fat, not 33%. Fat weighs .9 grams per ml; skeletal muscle weighs 1.06.
This is often overstated a bit... I am uncertain why the larger variance is out there.
A gallon of human fat would weigh 7.51 pounds, somewhat lighter than water of course. Fat floats.
Anyway, it is easy for all of us to think in terms of what a gallon is since we are familiar with gallon jugs of milk and its dimensions.
Too, can anyone really believe that any diet or exercise regimen claiming to rid the body of a gallon of itself more often than about once a week, that it has any credibility? When it happens, it is most often more about water loss than actual tissue (fat and/or muscle) loss.
Losing weight takes time, just like gaining weight if we are talking about tissues. Now, if we include things we can do to wick up or shed water, then the numbers are often much larger, but not nearly as permanent.
Bradpublished at Jan 29th 2008 2:38am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from Coach Mac
tgthrower....would you want the guy/girl who represents the throwers to be voted in by THEM ? Too quote a funny line from a movie
" That just happened "
You have all ready heard from Adam Nelson ( a rather bright articulate Dartmouth grad) They wanted and VOTED for the candidate that was named ???
This is still America. Get involved at the national level althouh the Elite athletes are now the majority voters.
Have a GREAT Day !
macpublished at Jan 29th 2008 2:45am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from Coach Rodney
Gaining Confidence is from many avenues coming together. One is Goal Setting at the long term, and having short term goals. Setting those goals, and reaching them on the road to reaching that long term Goal. example would be, I want to squat this much or pull that much. I want to hit that weight at certain times of the year. Say you get those lifts and you reach the goals you set, and the long term goal is down the road, you reach the short goals and you feel positive of your training/life. You feel good about yourself, Your technique gets better and you go into that comp with your ready to go attitude. You have no doubts on what your doing. And you let nothing distract you. I think thats confidence.
Now I don't know about sitting in a room with a bunch of Black Widows....where is John Goodman when you need him !!! hootpublished at Jan 29th 2008 2:54am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from tgthrower
Coach Mac.....
Actually, it would be nice if USATF made those evaluations public.
I have heard from others that only a couple of the athletes gave decent evaluations from 2004.
Majority rules - I agree, but there was only one male thrower on the USATF Athlete's Advisory Board.published at Jan 29th 2008 3:12am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from Darwin
...is on A&E's Intervention tonight, 9:00 p.m. Eastern.
Details:
http://www.aetv.com/intervention/int_episode_guide.jsppublished at Jan 29th 2008 4:26am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from Kap
We humans are creatures of habit: we (our bodies) learn to do things in the most efficient way possible to conserve energy so the things that can be made most habitual have the best chance of becoming "normal" activity. So, for good results in throws a set routine that leads to success is needed. Like many prior posters, there is a lot to gain from a set routine you do prior to throwing, practice or meets. Establishing and maintaining a set routine can be very Pavlovian: warmup "A" leans to long throw "B". That happens if you develop that line in training- warmup "A" leads to good rhytm/positions "B" which leads to better relaxation "C" which leads to better block/stretch "D" which leads to high release speed from elastic re-action "E" which leads to big throw "F". As time passes different athletes will remove parts of this chain sooner than others, but the links are important as the success of the latter depends on success of the prior, same as throwing actions depend on prior movements to build on. It's very important that every day of training and competition the athletes follow their routine as closely as possible.
So the development of a consistant routine has a great deal to do with confidence as the routine itself is a basis of that confidence: it becomes a Linus-like security blanket. A set routine is something you depend on that gives you a feeling of safety and confidence comes easily to an athlete who feels safe and free of distractions.
There are many other small points you may need to tweek this, but the basics of successful progression in performance will come faster off an established and followed program/routine as the basis than making efforts to boost confidence without a consistant "foundation" routine that is designed to lead the thrower into the "zone" for good performance.published at Jan 29th 2008 5:02am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from jayess
Good posts on this subject. I would like to add a couple of thoughts.
One would be knowing that you can handle the unexpected. You know you can handle various kinds of surfaces because you don't just practice on one ring. You know you can throw if it's wet because you've practiced on wet rings. You know people watching you won't be a factor because you've practiced with your buddies standing right next to the back of the circle staring at you. And you know you can come up with a big last throw when you really need it because your coach conducts one-throw meets with the bragging rights and other perks going to the winner, and which continue until the next one-throw meet.
The other thing is attitude. If you realize that your real opponent is the tape measure, and it's not all those guys who might be trying to distract you by yelling or flexing or strutting around with their letter jackets or scholarships, then it frees up your mind to focus on the one thing you can control - yourself.published at Jan 29th 2008 7:20am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from Rev GJ
We have a one throw competition at the end of practice. You get one throw. We go three rounds.
Always some "ducks" by one of our better throwers, trying to muscle it up.
Been lucky, my kids come through in the district finals. I don't even make the meet a lot of the time. Its on them by that time.published at Jan 29th 2008 9:34am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from lyd
deer in the headlights is what everyone said i looked like when i would get in the ring 2 years ago. This method worked for me and it might be a little "out there" for some people but hypnotizing really works wonders. practice was always a peice of cake for me, i could always hit the moves, and the marks, but when i got into competition i would freeze and get last everytime. After being hypnotized i have gotten 1st or second everytime. Even went to nationals this past summer.
commom misconseption about hypnotizem: it DOES NOT make you a better thrower you simply get the tools to help your nerves and to block out any nevitive energy around you duing competition.published at Jan 29th 2008 9:59am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from lyd
as an athleat, sometimes it doesent matter how much you prepare, or your coaches encourage you, or even how good you know you can be, it is all mental and somee people have a harder time getting over that block.
published at Jan 29th 2008 10:03am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from Lauren
The 2008 event schedule is posted at http://www.icahnstadium.org.
I am hoping to run one or two more open meets in June and July. Possible the last weekend to qualify for the OT's. Then one the 2nd week in July.
If anyone needs more information then what is up on the website or have any questions e-mail me at lauren@icahnstadium.org
There is no hammer on the schedule for the NY Relays or the NB meet at this time, but we will be having it. The Date and Time will be announced shortly.published at Jan 29th 2008 10:13am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from jax
That was an amazing episode! I called 4 of my cloest friends in the throwing community and had them tune in also.
very touching
J. Lefflerpublished at Jan 29th 2008 11:54am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from Dan P
any hopes theyre going to do something about the rings this year? last year it was like throwing on a block of sandpaper.
published at Jan 29th 2008 12:18pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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Quote from Dan P
just got them in thursday and took for a spin today. no pun intended.
so i definitly almost killed myself sliding around the gym floor with these things. couldnt beleive how fast they are. im not sure if they hardened and smoothed out the bottom more but they seemed faster than the rotational 3's.published at Jan 29th 2008 12:21pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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