Quote from Rev GJ
The one I use for the weight pentathlon:
Left side for men, right for women.
Now, as I climb my on soapbox. Age-graded is the biggest bunch of crap, excluding any posts on steriods. I'm 59 and just give me the same scoring that any athlete will get. You go to these masters multi-events and the old guys (includes me) are getting these huge scores, plus starting next year, I'll be throwing the 1k discus, 5k hammer and shot, and the 20#weight. Worse, cuz of some screwing around by the master's at USATF, the superweight for me will be 44#.
We should all throw the 2k, 7.26, 35# and 56#.
End of speech, you may return to your original program.
published at Jan 20th 2008 12:42am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from jayess
As you don't feel that some fairly unavoidable and significant differences in strength levels justifies using lighter implements, I assume that you would also advocate women and kids throwing 2k, 7.26, 35# and 56#?
That would make no sense at all, but it seems to be where your position would lead.
published at Jan 20th 2008 3:19am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Brad Reid
The subject of weight for masters implements was seriously reviewed not so long ago. I recall getting an e-mail asking my opinion about it. Too, Ron Summers and I and others have discussed this more than once over the years.
For age 50 and over, for the discus, I'd prefer to see us "compared" to high schoolers, not collegians and open throwers. It makes for a more interesting gauge I think... how does Brad Reid or Gary John, or Dan John, or Ron Summers, etc., how do we throw compared to the better high school throwers??? So, drop the silly 1.5 discus... and let's use a 1.6 if only because they are easier to find. Too, if you give up throwing, you can donate your implements to your local high school.
For the shot put, a 16 lber is just a killer on old wrists and elbows. It ought to be against the law. I'd recommend the 12 lb. high school weight for >50.
For the occasional guy who is older than 50 and still wants to throw the open standard weights, there are plenty of all comer meets to compete in.
There is one more very important reason for dropping implement weights for older throwers and it relates to training and bodyweight. If an older thrower wants to throw a 2 kg. or a 16, he will invariably hold on to a lot more bodyweight at the very point in life when one should be seriously considering getting leaner. For throwing a 12 and a 1.6, bodyweight and strength are much less important and one can throw lighter implements very well at much lower bodyweights where the additional speed is appreciated and offsets sheer bulk and strength.
Gary, I looked around one day, left then right, and counted up the number of old athletes who were 6'3" and 280 plus pounds in their 70s... I didn't find many to be honest. So, I embarked on a weight-loss diet now having dropped from a peak of 289 lbs. in 2000 to 232 lbs. on my way to 220 (100 kgs.) now at age 55. At age 60, I am going to try to pull off another 20 lbs. or so dropping to 200 lbs. and hold that through my sixties, then adjust accordingly as I age, God willing. Anyway, this is the "health" logic that sort of relates back to lighter implements for masters throwers, guys and gals who like to get out and exercise and compete.
published at Jan 20th 2008 3:55am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from jayess
I agree that using the high school implement for the 50-59 age group is a good idea. The only problem I have with it is that it is a US-only weight, and would never be adopted in international masters meets. So 1.5kg it is for now, it would seem.
Regardless what weight one lands on, the fact remains that lighter implements make sense if you want masters thowing to flourish. Otherwise you'll just wind up with a lot of guys chronically injured (more than they are already), and not having as much fun because the heavier implements just don't go very far.
With only one or two exceptions the top 50 year-old men throw the 1 kg about as far as the elite women do. It's similar to golf where a 50 year-old man will have distances about as far as the women pros. So it's tough enough for them/us to throw the 1.5kg discus. The 2kg is just too much of a beast when you are suffering from TMB (too many birthdays).
published at Jan 20th 2008 7:52am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from PowerTrainer
Brad, thanks for the Carter lifts, I want to send you an e-mail soon to discuss his other strengths soon..
This is probably the best place to ask this question. I am looking for old video footage of these throwers from H.S.; Jesse Stuart, Arnold Campbell, Sammy Walker. I don't even know if they had vids in Walker's day, but I am pretty sure they have something on Campbell. I searched Campbell's # down and called him years ago, had a great 3 hour convo with the man, asked for some vids but never received any. He was a throwing legend, but I have seen only 6 throws of him from the 1988 USA OLY. Trials..After h.s. though..
Any of Keshmiri from H.S. as well? If anyone could give me a good direction to go in I'd really appreciate it!!
published at Jan 20th 2008 8:37am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from BobG
Scott Sellers set the HS indoor HJ record of 7'05.25" as a junior in 2004.
He (2005) and Gail Olson (1978) share the senior class record at 7.05.00"
published at Jan 20th 2008 2:06pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Dan P
if its what im thinking of its the act of sitting back just before the glide movement or during the first turn of the rotation. essentially you just shift your center of gravity towards the center of the ring in both techniques to build greater momentum out of the back of the ring.
whats tough is knowing the timing of it especially in the rotation. sitting too soon or too early will completely shift your entire throw to one direction or the other.
published at Jan 20th 2008 10:23pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/