"The Ring" archive entries from Nov 30th 2007

These are the posts from "The Ring" archive on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/ from day Nov 30th 2007

Quote from Coach Herring

I feel from a throwers stand point the snatch and clean are utilized to explosively preform the triple extension similar to what we do when we throw.

Catch depth, I feel, is less revelent to throwers. Weight lifters attempt to maximize leverage so they can lift more weight, because thats how their preformance is measured. If we use their lifts to generate force I thik we should worry less about catch depth and squat cleans / snatches.

I mean if you rack a clean deep, aren't you emphasizing the front squat, or overhead squat in the deep snatch catch. Why not just FS or OH SQ? For throwers, I think it is more important to rack these lifts higher, emphasizing a more explosive triple extension. Or don't do them at all and do more jumps or other explosive movements.

published at Nov 30th 2007 12:59am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from tomsonite

I think the reason many throwers have max lifts that are "below" certain standards is because they never attempted to do more even though they were able to.

I recently trained with a former Olympian (hammer thrower, PB over 77m) who told me that in 2004 he cleaned 150k from the floor, and the bar just flew up like it was nothing. He wanted to go for 160 or 170 to see how much he could do...but his coach wouldn't let him. The reason was, why try to max out and potentially hurt yourself when you already have 150kg moving that fast, and you could spend the rest of your energy working on your technique?

So even though he probably could have cleaned more, he didn't because really, he didn't need to. I'd imagine this is the case with many elite throwers who have relatively "low" lifts.

published at Nov 30th 2007 2:18am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Brad Reid

Oops! I lost or accidentally erased Dr. Bob Ward's email address and I need to contact him regarding someone wanting to interview him for an article.

Ironman, or anyone else with Bob's current email address, please email it to me at LREID@FLASH.NET.

Thanks! Brad Reid

published at Nov 30th 2007 2:58am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from M-FMatt

All indoor weights are the same length. 40.64cm by the rulebooks which equates to exactly 16 inches. Women in HS, College and post collegiate throw the 20 while high school boys throw the 25 and collegiate men and post collegiate men throw the 35. Measurement is taken from the inside surface of the handle to the bottom of the bag.

published at Nov 30th 2007 3:21am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from dominik

The german WC and former WR holder stated that usually a maximum clean weight equals the 3 RM of ass to calves frontsquats.

Has anyone experiemces with this?

published at Nov 30th 2007 3:51am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from matt

anyone ever build their own puds or heavy weights to throw outside during indoor track season. i would like to build a 30 pound pud or weight for my athletes to throw.
thanks
matt

published at Nov 30th 2007 5:41am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Ron S.

I compete in Masters track and Olympic lifting. I argue with the Olympic lifters all of the time about lifting technique. If you raise your max in the power snatch by 20 lbs there is a good chance you will throw farther. If you raise your max by improving your technique in the snatch your throw probably won't get any farther. I'm not against improving technique in the lifts but time and energy become precious in throwing season.

Ron S

published at Nov 30th 2007 6:06am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from hel320

A lot of scottish games competitors build their own weights. Try this link for an idea. Nothing fancy but they work grea
http://highland_tools.tripod.com/saacc/index.htmlt.

published at Nov 30th 2007 6:23am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Montana

Thanks, I'm making a few backwoods throwing weights in the welding shop!

published at Nov 30th 2007 6:32am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Tony Dziepak

I have made a homemade ~#32 weight using half of a solid #60 dumbbell that broke. I had a local welder attach a loop of 3/8" rod as indicated in this diagram:

http://www.geocities.com/aedziepak/heavy/loop.gif

The configuration of the loop is not unlike an eye that you might see on a cheaper fishing rod or an older sewing machine. I still have and use this as my practice outdoor implement.

The weight is also adjustable in length from 14" to 24" via a clamp and length of chain connecting the loop with the handle.

We also had a great adjustable-weight weight which could go up to #71 by stacking 7 #10 plates. My teammate Mike Sergent found a great threaded eye bolt that was 1" or 7/8" in diameter, with two nuts on the bottom that we tightened against each other. The bolt was cast aluminum or galvanized zinc, and was probably electrical powerline equipment. That implement might still be in the storage shed at Virginia Tech. Before that, I had a 1/2" diameter eye bolt from Home depot with a 1" PVC sleeve, but that bent and snapped after a few sessions.

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published at Nov 30th 2007 6:36am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from bedubis

I was out in a California goodwill and found a pair of sweat pants with SSTC on an American flag kinda design. I have seen SSTC in some of the 80's videos. What is it?

published at Nov 30th 2007 6:48am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Foreman

A weightlifter I used to compete against trained in California and he personally saw Balazs Kiss power clean 440 lbs. wearing throwing shoes.

No additional information or analysis of this one, it's just a hell of a feat of strength!

published at Nov 30th 2007 7:22am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from jayess

Sports Scientific Training Conference?

http://www.nsca-lift.org/Conferences/sstc.shtml

published at Nov 30th 2007 7:43am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from tomsonite

Anyone have an idea on how fast of a release velocity some of the elite guys get in the 35 pound weight throw like kruger, kibwe, or charfretag?

published at Nov 30th 2007 8:14am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from sloanpeterson

I have squatted and benched and seen the clean before, what is a snatch?? I am nearing 50 meters in the hammer and should break 50 feet in the shot this indoor season. Should i start incorporating the snatch into my lifting program?? I tried to find it on youtube, but it said i needed to be 18 to view videos of "snatch", i also rented a movie about it after seeing all this talk about snatch and i couldn't understand a thing brad pitt said. Thanks for the help.

Sloan

published at Nov 30th 2007 8:25am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Dan Bryant

Noah and his mom had to make an emergency visit to Seattle to see his ailing grandma. He needs to find a good place to lift Friday and/or Saturday in the Seattle/Northgate area. Anyone with any connections please email me and I'll contact Noah. Thanks for your help.

published at Nov 30th 2007 8:29am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Mike Carignan

The rules committee has changed rule 6.2.1, which defines procedures for field events. The rule no longer offers any criteria for advancement to finals, only a number that should advance. This could open the door for different formats, requiring a games committee decision so that there can at least be agreement on how to conduct the meet. An official can not use the rule book to direct advancement to finals. It doesn't hurt to be aware of this, because technically there is no longer a rule to follow. A coach could plead a case for advancement, as in "show me in the rule book where it says anything about performance as a basis for discrimination." I don't believe that this was an error because the rules committee was aware of the problem back in the proposal stage. To me, it seems no different than deleting the rule specs for the shot, assuming that everyone knows the weights and will apply them. Weird.

published at Nov 30th 2007 8:43am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from CanuckHT

I'm a fan and huge advocate of Dr. Bondarchuk's methods of training, both technically and supplementarily. However having said that I would strongly disagree with you that technique has suffered greatly in the last 15 years.

Litvinov is working with Tihkon and with others who have shown great success and consistency. Is it a bit different maybe, sure. But Litvinov learned from Dr. B if memory serves me right. Also keep in mind that there is a difference between style and technique.

I will give you that the Russians when they were throwing over 83m day in and day out in the 80's was far more in line with how Bondarchuk and Zaitchouk teach, but there are different ways to skin a cat.

My question is that if the Russian way is so great and Dr. B's means are so incredible then how come there are so many (North) Americans throwing NOT like Russians?? That bears more attention than what's happened in Russia since Bondarchuk left.

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published at Nov 30th 2007 8:59am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from tomsonite

because, how many north americans are being coached in the hammer by bondarchuk? Or more importantly, how many guys that are as "hammerthrow athletic" as tikhon or others are now being coached by bondarchuk?

If I move to Kamloops today, Bondarchuk will proably have me throwing far as hell in a few years, but even with his coaching I wouldn't get to 80m because I just don't have the genetic gifts necessary.

published at Nov 30th 2007 9:20am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/