"The Ring" archive entries from Nov 30th 2007

  • Quote from Coach Herring

    I feel from a throwers stand point the snatch and clean are utilized to explosively preform the triple extension similar to what we do when we throw.

    Catch depth, I feel, is less revelent to throwers. Weight lifters attempt to maximize leverage so they can lift more weight, because thats how their preformance is measured. If we use their lifts to generate force I thik we should worry less about catch depth and squat cleans / snatches.

    I mean if you rack a clean deep, aren't you emphasizing the front squat, or overhead squat in the deep snatch catch. Why not just FS or OH SQ? For throwers, I think it is more important to rack these lifts higher, emphasizing a more explosive triple extension. Or don't do them at all and do more jumps or other explosive movements.

    published at Nov 30th 2007 12:59am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from tomsonite

    I think the reason many throwers have max lifts that are "below" certain standards is because they never attempted to do more even though they were able to.

    I recently trained with a former Olympian (hammer thrower, PB over 77m) who told me that in 2004 he cleaned 150k from the floor, and the bar just flew up like it was nothing. He wanted to go for 160 or 170 to see how much he could do...but his coach wouldn't let him. The reason was, why try to max out and potentially hurt yourself when you already have 150kg moving that fast, and you could spend the rest of your energy working on your technique?

    So even though he probably could have cleaned more, he didn't because really, he didn't need to. I'd imagine this is the case with many elite throwers who have relatively "low" lifts.

    published at Nov 30th 2007 2:18am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from M-FMatt

    All indoor weights are the same length. 40.64cm by the rulebooks which equates to exactly 16 inches. Women in HS, College and post collegiate throw the 20 while high school boys throw the 25 and collegiate men and post collegiate men throw the 35. Measurement is taken from the inside surface of the handle to the bottom of the bag.

    published at Nov 30th 2007 3:21am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from Ron S.

    I compete in Masters track and Olympic lifting. I argue with the Olympic lifters all of the time about lifting technique. If you raise your max in the power snatch by 20 lbs there is a good chance you will throw farther. If you raise your max by improving your technique in the snatch your throw probably won't get any farther. I'm not against improving technique in the lifts but time and energy become precious in throwing season.

    Ron S

    published at Nov 30th 2007 6:06am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Nov 30th 2007 6:36am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from sloanpeterson

    I have squatted and benched and seen the clean before, what is a snatch?? I am nearing 50 meters in the hammer and should break 50 feet in the shot this indoor season. Should i start incorporating the snatch into my lifting program?? I tried to find it on youtube, but it said i needed to be 18 to view videos of "snatch", i also rented a movie about it after seeing all this talk about snatch and i couldn't understand a thing brad pitt said. Thanks for the help.

    Sloan

    published at Nov 30th 2007 8:25am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from Mike Carignan

    The rules committee has changed rule 6.2.1, which defines procedures for field events. The rule no longer offers any criteria for advancement to finals, only a number that should advance. This could open the door for different formats, requiring a games committee decision so that there can at least be agreement on how to conduct the meet. An official can not use the rule book to direct advancement to finals. It doesn't hurt to be aware of this, because technically there is no longer a rule to follow. A coach could plead a case for advancement, as in "show me in the rule book where it says anything about performance as a basis for discrimination." I don't believe that this was an error because the rules committee was aware of the problem back in the proposal stage. To me, it seems no different than deleting the rule specs for the shot, assuming that everyone knows the weights and will apply them. Weird.

    published at Nov 30th 2007 8:43am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Nov 30th 2007 8:59am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from tomsonite

    because, how many north americans are being coached in the hammer by bondarchuk? Or more importantly, how many guys that are as "hammerthrow athletic" as tikhon or others are now being coached by bondarchuk?

    If I move to Kamloops today, Bondarchuk will proably have me throwing far as hell in a few years, but even with his coaching I wouldn't get to 80m because I just don't have the genetic gifts necessary.

    published at Nov 30th 2007 9:20am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

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