"The Ring" archive entries from Nov 7th 2007

These are the posts from "The Ring" archive on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/ from day Nov 7th 2007

Quote from JNewell

I was lucky enough to train at Westside this summer and have my workouts posted on the hammer forum of throwclean.com, feel free to take a look. After being coached by two of the best throwing coaches in the nation (Don Babbitt & Jud Logan) I can say that I have been on a wide variety of training programs, some were great and others tore me apart.
Jud made it possible for me to spend the past summer training at Westside. I can say that within the first month of training I felt stronger than ever, I had a great time with Louie ,Matt Whinning (Louie

published at Nov 7th 2007 12:33am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Bill

Thank you for your responses. Do you know of any elite level throwers who use the westside method, or at least the dynamic method w/ weight releasers, chains, bands, etc.?

published at Nov 7th 2007 1:11am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from tomsonite

I've read a bit on Louie Simmons and his training techniques/philosophies, as well as a few of his work outs, they seem to make sense (though I have never tried any of them myself.) But what is the "westside" method/routine that everyone keeps talking about? Is it one specific work-out or is it a bunch of principles to base your training on?

published at Nov 7th 2007 2:13am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from ilchamp66200

Instead of talking about "power lifters" like Louie Simmons. Why don't we give credit to the true "sports performance" gurus such as, Mike Gattone and Mike Stone??

published at Nov 7th 2007 2:15am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Viking

If you take a better look at the end of the programme of Timmermann,you'll see that it's pure "Westside"...Max 1RM one week and 50-60% the next on benches .
And instead of bands and chains that overload the top,they use pads to deload the bottom.
In fact,the Westsiders copied the DDR peaking system.And used it as a base for all the rest of their theory.

published at Nov 7th 2007 2:23am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from JRapp

What high school did you or do you go to?

published at Nov 7th 2007 3:04am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from VALENTI

who have they trained?

published at Nov 7th 2007 3:44am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Bill

could you explain to me the training philosophies of Mike Gattone, Mike Stone, etc.? Do they present a program that would be better for a thrower than a powerlifting workout?

published at Nov 7th 2007 3:46am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from jayess

Dance Dance Revolution!

I think he's referring to the old East Germany (Deutche Democratic Republic).

published at Nov 7th 2007 3:52am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from GCOLLIER

Deutsche Demokratische Republik, DDR; Otherwise known as the German Democratic Republic (GDR)

published at Nov 7th 2007 3:54am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from ilchamp66200

Yes indeed Mike Gattone did train Tara Nott. I also had the privliedge of training with her as well. How many Olympians has Louie Simmons trained? How many Olympic games has he coached at? Thats right.... 0

published at Nov 7th 2007 5:02am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from ilchamp66200

Mike Gattone, CSCS, Director of Sports Performance:

As Director of Sports Performance Mike designed and personally supervises the programming and methods at all our facilities. Mike has more than 20 years

published at Nov 7th 2007 5:09am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from M-FMatt

The basic underlying theme of the "Westside" method of training that throwers will greatly see a benefit from is the understanding that they train both heavy max effort days and dynamic effort days. The dynamic effort days are what most throw coaches need to realize is super important for our athletes. The dynamic effort days take a smaller percentage of an athlete's max lift (usually about 50-60%) and tries to move it as quickly as possible. If you think about our events in as general a way as possible, we aren't taking a maximum weight and trying to move it slowly. We are taking a sub maximal weight and moving it as fast as possible. The dynamic effort days fall right in line with what happens in the circles.

published at Nov 7th 2007 5:11am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from dominik

I think Westside is a good programm. Westside was indeed derived from eastern european Oly lifting programmes(he quotes them often).

But I think it is a problem using this the whole year because it is very taxing to do heavy weights the whole year and the high volume of bodybuilding "assistance exercises" won't be good in a competition period because you are very fatigued.

Of course the speed work is a good thing, also the use of bands and chains. But I think it is better to do a classical periodization. (Hypertrophy, then max Strentgh, then speed strength), because you are less fatigued going in a competition.

How many Olympians has Louie coached? How many could he since PL is not an Olympic sport.

But I think to remember that he coached tons of footballers and Hockey players(the sports which are only played in America where the US wastes their sports talent instead of letting them compete in real sports against other countries, Sorry:))
So he has some achievements and who knows what he could do with Oly athletes, but I think a classical periodization is better for throwing.

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published at Nov 7th 2007 5:55am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Christian Salas

It does indeed stand for Dance Dance Revolution. I played it a couple times and it kicked my a$$. It's good for cardio and fast footwork.

The East Germans originally developed it in the 70s and used it as a basis for their great success. 3 hours a day for years!

In addition they purposefully kept their hairstyles 20 years out of date to compliment their DDR playing. Then the rest of the Eastern Bloc copied them. If you don't believe me, look at big meets for the past 30 years. Look at those pompadors, perms and mullets!

published at Nov 7th 2007 5:58am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from hopefullthrower

I am having a mental image of Udo Beyer and Sven Buder jumping around doing the dance dance revolution!

published at Nov 7th 2007 6:33am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from hopefullthrower

I know Andrei was credited with a 75 foot plus throw at one stage? and won the olympics and threw 21.88 in 87 chps.
he dropped down and backwards into an excellent position and realy realy levered the hell out of the shot, I think he was 6 2 and about 260 but Bang! was he quick!
Worth discussing?

published at Nov 7th 2007 6:35am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from JRapp

I completely forgot about Oliver Sven Buder. That was a big man. And, something tells me that dance dance revolution couldn't handle those two.

published at Nov 7th 2007 6:38am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from JRapp

About Andrei, are you talking about his power position?

published at Nov 7th 2007 6:41am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/