"The Ring" archive entries from Oct 16th 2007

Quote from 70footer

this is what I was afraid you would do Scratch , accuse someone that you have heard rumors about , thereby ruining his name and casting a shadow of suspicion around him. It is mean spirited by you and a bad move , I assume you could be sued for what they call SLANDER! which could also lead to THE RING being shut down for allowing a known ''loose cannon'' to run wild over the site.

I do not know Noah Bryant but he seems like a very hard working determined athlete , who can back up his success and has plenty of negative tests to prove his point. You would lose that suit in a landslide , but then again a court will not allow accusations in without a witness that is identified by the court , and you haven't yet said your name. So why should we? If your name is BRIAN KORN then you should be worried ...Mr. Bryant is not going to like this, and I am sure will use all efforts to make sure it doesn't happen again. that means it usually would cost you money...how else do ya make one shut the hell up with such a big mouth.

Lastly, any intelligent person would be talking about how Noah Bryant is such a great technician and has competed so well for such a young thrower. But it seems your motivation is only to disrupt and confuse....I seriously hope the staff of THE RING take a good hard look at withdrawing your membership , so the rest of us can enjoy the site without being disrupted and annoyed by childish irresponsible games .
-Rob Suelflohn

published at Oct 16th 2007 7:05am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from MAC

MAC

published at Oct 16th 2007 7:32am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from dominik

Of course he can't acuse and athlete without proof but I mean you provoke him to do that and when he falls for that you act shocked.
I call this a double moral standard. You ask him to say names for a week and when he gives in, you say look Scratch did it again.

Of course he can be easily provoked and falls for this evil game of you every time, and I don't say this is good he should control himself more.

I think we should be more worried about the actual doping problem, than about what some Scratch, Brian Korn, Donald Duck or whoever says.

That someone rreacts stronger to some provokation than to an actual doping case(for example Marion) shows how he values a clean sports.

Do you really wants a clean sport, or do you just want no acusation so that anyone thinks the sport is clean?

If you don't like what Scratch says just don't answer and he will stop posting such things in a minute. But some people seem to prefer an hourly affirmation of their beliefs.

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published at Oct 16th 2007 7:44am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from jucs

If there wasn't a better time to bring the ring into the current technology for message forum software, now's the time.

My 2 cents on today's topics.

published at Oct 16th 2007 7:47am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Dan Bryant

at such a high level he would know you get tested every time you win something big, such as the NCAA Indoor and Outdoor champs. Also, an athlete at a D1 level has tests on a random basis and coach required basis. Because of the potential for charges like this idiot, wannabe "thrower" makes, Noah was tested several times at USC. Noah took and passed six tests this year alone. That doesn't count the times he was tested in years past - including high school. More than once my wife and I went to hug our son after a meet and were shooed away by an official who was immediately taking Noah off to be tested. Scratch if you ever competed past the 16.40 level you might be aware of what really takes place. Did they test you at your JC? I hope we meet some day, you pathetic coward.

published at Oct 16th 2007 7:58am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Ringmaster

This has been a bad day. I got rid of bunch of posts.

published at Oct 16th 2007 8:55am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Ringmaster

I have tried to take off the bad posts. Please no more. A denial posted is almost as bad as the accusation. Please stop.

published at Oct 16th 2007 8:57am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Rodney

Anyone know of throws clinics in the west over the next 4 months, sure would like to know.

Thanks Mike Louisiana

published at Oct 16th 2007 9:22am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from tomsonite

Really, I can't believe she said that. The fact that a two time bronze medallist is basically saying "legalize steroids" will now only give our sport an even worse image. Great...

published at Oct 16th 2007 9:38am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Bud Rasmussen

From: http://www.usatf.org/groups/Coaches/education/specialPrograms/2007/PodiumProject/info.asp

USATF presents the 2007 National Podium Education Project. This year's project includes most track and field event areas. The NPEP will be held Dec. 11 through Dec. 15, 2007 at The Tuscany Resort and Casino in Las Vegas, and is broken into two sessions. The coaches of the top elite athletes will be holding their High Performance Division (HPD) Elite Athlete Seminars in conjunction with the NPEP. The HPD seminars are run to provide specific scientific information and analysis of our best athletes to ensure that the United States dominates the podium at the Olympics and World Championships.

Registration link:

http://www.usatf.org/groups/Coaches/education/specialPrograms/2007/PodiumProject/throws.asp

Throws schedule link:

http://www.usatf.org/groups/Coaches/education/specialPrograms/2007/PodiumProject/throwsschedule.asp

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published at Oct 16th 2007 9:39am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Mr.Incredible

Over the last few weeks the main discussion has been about steroids and bickering over the subject. There was a time when we came on to this and exchanged great training ideas and knowledge between coaches and throwers. It just seems that we have gotten away from that.

Drugs and cheaters will always be around in our sport. As of right now, I guarantee you that some chemist in a lab is designing the next undetectable steroid.

The talk of Roids will always be here. I just miss the technique and training tips that I used to get from this site.

published at Oct 16th 2007 9:41am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Crater

Mike,

There is the podium series in Vegas (December 11-13), and I/we are in the process of getting a 2-day clinic (over all events, throws included) here in Reno. Still a work in progress, though. I'll shoot you an email, sorry for the delay...the new job has been hectic.

TJ

published at Oct 16th 2007 9:41am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Rodney

Give me a call 828-6217 home 720-9505 cell Mike

published at Oct 16th 2007 11:04am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Rodney

Also there are 3 more that I'm aware of, The one in So.Cal on the Beach with all the Bikinis and surfboards! The one in the Bay Area at Logan High School the 2nd weekend of Feb and about the same time at the UC Davis. Fu and Bloom do that one...And then theres a Discus Clinic Nov 9&10. But no info there.

published at Oct 16th 2007 11:11am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Glenn McAtee

I am as sick of the bickering as anyone, but there is a relevance the talking about drugs.

I was in Windsor a few weeks ago and heard Bondarchuk present some ideas on training. As he said in 2003 when I saw him speak in Hungary, he said that he was presenting a training plan that would work in a drug-free environment. As anyone who has seen him speak will attest, he is very short on specific details about how his athletes trained. He does not give specifics. One of his main theses for his presentation was that "if you are using drugs, then it does not matter how you train because everything will work (direct quote)."

Therefore, I am forced to agree with one of John Smith's points that you cannot study and apply methods used with juiced athletes, since those methods probably will not work with clean athletes. This unfortunately puts us in the position to try to play the guessing game about who is/was on drugs so we can decide if they have training methods that we can/should emulate.

That is the relevance to the drug discussion. If Bondarchuk is right, then there is no point studying how someone trained if you know they took drugs.

The other value in having the drug discussion is forcing all of us to examine our own position on drugs, drug users, and ethics in sport. It is critical for coaches and throwers alike to know where they stand on the issues.

Glenn

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published at Oct 16th 2007 11:13am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Rodney

Like MrIncredible says he misses the tech and training tips. I'm sure many and specially the younger throwers and even the older ones to HAVE questions. So its up to you to ask and here is a suggestion. "Don't Bring up the talk about "DRUGS AND CHEATERS!"" Ask about what is good for you, Like,
Whats the best way to lift in Pre-season, Early Season, Comp Season and what do you lift and WHY? Who has an answer?!
Mike Louisiana

published at Oct 16th 2007 11:18am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Viking

The drug issue will always be an issue when any kind of sport is discussed.

Every kind of human ability is based on body chemistry and can be enhanced.
So,whether you're a shotputter or a professional bug killer there's always some drug that can help you throw more or kill more bugs...

Do we agree that we will no longer:

-Accuse ANYONE of drug use if he/she has never tested positive ?
-Will not IMPLY use if he/she has never tested positive ?
-A positive is about the tested event and that time/place only and is NO PROOF that he/she is a lifetime user ?
-ALL athletes until PROVEN guilty are innocent ?


Let's create a common base of agreement here ,because this is a great place for discussion.

Let's all enjoy the good side of the internet,with discussion between people around the world that would never normally meet and not the bad one when people around the world that would never normally meet actually hunt each other down with a gun (or a lawyer-much worse) so as to clean their name.

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published at Oct 16th 2007 11:21am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Viking

I don't think this is true.
It was probably a line Mr Bondarchuk used to stop the conversation then and there.

Anything might work but not for long and not as well as a great programme.
Anyone would understand that even top athletes that might have used drugs din't just train any way they liked and let the drugs do the work.
Drugs do help,but let's not take this to the other extreme.

published at Oct 16th 2007 11:26am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from LetItRip

These are my exact feelings regarding the drug talk. I have always not liked to bring specific questions up on the board regarding drugs because many will immediately cry foul and declare no reason to discuss drugs, and advise stop ruining the discussions. I always believed that this information was invaluable as Glenn has said. I am glad these discussions have happened to open the eyes and mind of many, and have provided people like myself with a little bit more information and possible validation regarding drugs in our sport. This isnt about pointing fingers, as it is about understanding the use and its relation to training, performace, etc. thanks to all who have chimed in on these discussions. Hopefully that we have gotten to this point, some of us can relax and not be so defensive in response to some of the discussions. We all want to learn, improve, help others ( I hope), and continue to THROW FAR.. Lets continue to help one another..

Thanks everyone
Mike
LetItRip!

published at Oct 16th 2007 12:14pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from 70footer

I agree with you Mike...we all want uplifting information that will help all of us to be better throwers.

published at Oct 16th 2007 12:23pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/