"The Ring" archive entries from Oct 16th 2007

These are the posts from "The Ring" archive on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/ from day Oct 16th 2007

Quote from Scratch

The late Al Oerter. This one is a self admission. He admitted to the use claimming it gave him even worse blood pressure. He also stated he did not believe it helped him in anyway. This was used in his later years. He was provided by a doctor under the supervision of a doctor. the main goal was to bulk up.

published at Oct 16th 2007 3:23am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from w8coach

This is all heresay even if it came from the horse's mouth. Unless a positive test is present , and that isn't totally reliable, it's a non-issue. I'm done with your posts scratch as your psots carry the same value as your name!

published at Oct 16th 2007 3:35am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Mac

I'm wrting this BEFORE I write the wbmaster as I'm assuming you'll be banned at some point in the next 24-48 hours so I hope you have a response ?

You are olbviously an attention whore. I have never repsonded to an anonymous poster but you have to be one of the most classless ...biggest tool I've had the unfortunate experiance to read.

And your bravery to name a man who just died 2-weeks ago takes cowardice to a whole new level.

Why don't you swing bye your local pre-school and beat up some kids for their Halloween candy next ?

Coach Bob MacKay

p.s. I'll be in Phoneix and Tuscon next month

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published at Oct 16th 2007 3:46am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Scratch

Big man gonna taddle lol. Ill miss you most of all scarecrow. If you are in Tucson, maybe we should meet for lunch, I'll buy. So we should only name cheaters who are alive? I don't think death cleans the slate. You know why we can talk of the dead, we are all going to die so there is no reverence. So im guessing you want some living names? I have those also. You should know that there is a candy to size ratio. Preschoolers although easy can only hold so much candy. I prefer 5th graders. They can hold so much more.

published at Oct 16th 2007 4:02am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from xailow

Lets play nice now. The Ring was designed to have a common place for throwers big and small, short and far, to come to get better and progress the sport known as Athletics. NOT

published at Oct 16th 2007 4:05am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from dominik

Al Oerter really Admitted to take steroids in his late career, this is a fact you can look it up.

published at Oct 16th 2007 4:07am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from xailow

Look ahead and make some predictions about NCAA Indoors, or US Indoors, or even World Indoors? I know Its a bit far off, but it but it beats the hell out of scrutinizing the past...

published at Oct 16th 2007 4:08am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Scratch

That means Scratch has credibility oh no!

published at Oct 16th 2007 4:14am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Rodney

This is a sad day from the lowest of the lowest. Coach Mac and W8coach see my email.

published at Oct 16th 2007 4:22am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from bruinHntr

Dude,

People hate ya guts.
BUT...they read your posts.
I know I do.



Anyone but AL.
Will you let this one go, please?


I want more TRUTHS from you.
You sick SOB.

Ps. I never knew Al doped.

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Here is my question for Scratch:
Was the substance he took specifically banned at the time he took it.

I have taken creatine....
I took it for strength
it is not banned now....


In 20 years will some ringer be calling this the Creatine era?

Why do we even give a shit?

HGH and genetic doping are the thieves in the night.
Steroids are old news

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published at Oct 16th 2007 4:56am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from w8coach

I agree with your assessment but I think they read the posts because of the division in the ranks he is attempting to create. If the gov had control over illegal drugs and the revenue they produced, they may not be as illegal as they are today. Everyone has heard of prohibition. History will repeat itself.

published at Oct 16th 2007 5:07am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Rodney

We'll buy you lunch!

published at Oct 16th 2007 5:28am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from JRapp

Great "For Love of the Game" quote. I'm curious what your motivation is here? You can't be just doing this because you just feel like it. If that were the case it would be ironic that you used a quote from "For Love of the Game", but since I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, what's the story?

published at Oct 16th 2007 5:29am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Scratch

Do to fan requests we continue our list. Here it is for your listening pleasure on our hits countdown #2 from our hearts to you...Noah Bryant.

published at Oct 16th 2007 5:31am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Rodney

W8coach has talked about the governing body and what they do and what they don't do. There has been talk that goes back to the 60's about changing the guard, or making changes at the higher levels. Many remember the old AAU, and the powers to be in track and field, left the AAU to form the TAC, now the USATF. Many people in the heads of state are still the same. Have we seen changes in the USATF? Do the different events get the money they need to improve those events? Lets see, In athens, where did the USOC folks stay? Was it on a ships, first class accomidations? where did the athletes stay? So go back 30+ years ago.....It was a laughing stock when a USOC offical walked by telling athletes to stop using, cause they were going to test at the Trials. Did they? Think about it....Oh and I went to Brazil that summer. You didn't need a prescription to buy anything you wanted....Who has control? I'm not saying that chemicals are good for you, there not! Specially today....Many have gone south across the border to Mexico and bought stuff there, or we have dealers that hit the high schools selling to kids, Wrong and against the Law...this drug issue needs to cool off, yes we know that many used in the past. But now in the 2007-08 time we need to put this to rest. If you have ever seen WeeGordie....he got strong from the protein he got from the mail and chopping wood. Our young kids should see that movie and start swinging an axe.

published at Oct 16th 2007 5:45am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from scrookie

I have been a random visitor to the ring ever since receiving emails, texts regarding my involvement in this stupid situation. It seems as though someone near the U of Arizona has posted under Scratch and is now accusing a close friend a steroid user.

I have a problem with that. A big problem.

I also have a problem with people in general hiding behind their computers so that they can say whatever they want without being held accountable.

Which is why I write posts with my name on the end. As a lot of other people do on this board.

Defamation of someone's character is not a fun topic. There will always be rumors about who is taking what, but there needs to be a level of respect between competitors. When rumors are started it brings a bad name on both parties involved.

Scratch aka Brian Korn to the best of my Knowledge. It is complete bullshit about Noah Bryant. The kid has been tested over a half dozen times next year. I seriously don't know where you come off. You are someone who knows nothing and pretends to know of black books and hidden information. Maybe in your second profession you are a doctor or drug professional in which you distribute these athletes with the drugs you ASSUME they are taking.


Noah called me and explained that he had received numerous calls/email/texts about his involvement with steroids. All due to some piece of trash lack of a man hiding behind a silly screen name.

It is just too bad this comment wasn't made a week ago or Noah and You could've talked while he was in Tucson visiting.

I'm sure though, b/c I am associated with Noah that I am also taking steroids. Insulin it is right? I have heard that before.

If it is not your Brian, sorry. But I have some pretty good sources. Keep your shit off this forum, and please go someplace else with your brainless rumors and pathetic comedy.

I wish this board would change their policies in allowing people to post without names. It just serves as a magnet for immature adults to say what they want and have it protected behind a keyboard and screen.

Maybe Later I will have more to say.

And for those of you who asked earlier about stats of Scratch or how many meets he won:
Via Direct Athletics:
16.36 Shotput
43m Discus
53m Hammer.



sincerely,


Adam Kuehl
UA Alum '07

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published at Oct 16th 2007 6:16am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from scrookie

I meant in the post that Noah has been tested over a half dozen times THIS year.

And because of his success he will be put on the USADA yearly random drug testing pool.

Every quarter he is eligible to be as many times as USADA feels neccessary to report this information to WADA and the IAAF/USATF.

published at Oct 16th 2007 6:19am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Harold F

By Kate Schmidt printed in LA Times October 14, 2007:

The media and the public have savaged American athletes for using steroids. The case of track and field icon Marion Jones is the most recent. Last week, she tearfully returned her three gold and two bronze medals to the U.S. Olympic Committee after admitting that she used steroids to enhance her performance.

Much of the criticism of Jones and others caught using steroids is unfair. There is a disconnect between what the sports-viewing public knows and expects and what is actually going on. Fans have created such high expectations for athletes that success seems to require steroid use for any sport requiring speed, power or a combination of the two. The genie is out of the bottle -- for good.

This was not always the case. When I was competing, some athletes used performance-enhancing drugs, but most didn't. I never did and still established American and world records in the javelin throw. Yet my world record was surpassed by an East German who participated in a program famous for pharmacological enhancements.

It is extremely difficult for an athlete to resist doing whatever it takes to win. Our culture has elevated elite athletes to a status that is good for neither them nor us. It is unhealthy and unreal.

Elite athletes are normal in every way except for the fact that they are born with a singular skill with which they become obsessed, chasing its allure until age and injury stop them. Their natural obsession is exacerbated by $20-million signing bonuses, gold-medal tallies and fan and media insistence that elite athletes are special in every other way. Athletes are not gods. We must take them off the pedestal.

Fans, the media and sports governing bodies believe that we can rid sports of steroid use. Athletes will always be a step ahead of the testing labs in concealing substances because of the multibillion-dollar industries that have been built on their sweat and their obsession. They will seek out the next great "thing" -- a vitamin, a nutritional supplement, a training technique, a piece of training equipment, a new shoe, a drug. Athletes have used performance enhancements and supplements for centuries. We cannot change the nature of the beast.

Do we really think it's in the best interests of the National Football League, Major League Baseball or USA Track and Field to punish athletes -- their cash cows -- who test positive for steroids?

But follow the logic of those who would cleanse sports of drugs. In most sports, it is my belief that performance-enhancing drug use is the rule, not the exception. What would be the effects of reversing this trend? For instance, take synthetic testosterone and its derivatives out of baseball and football. What would happen?

There would be far fewer home runs; smaller, slower, less muscular athletes and no new records for the next few decades until human development and equipment technology compensated for the absence of these drugs. There also would be fewer fans, reduced ticket sales, less ad revenue, less lucrative TV contracts and smaller stadiums built. The beneficiaries of performance-enhancing drug use exist at every level of the sports industry.

On the other hand, what if we decriminalized and destigmatized performance-enhancing drugs -- indeed, called them training supplements? Training supplements such as protein powder, creatine, good nutrition and Gatorade. By accepting these currently banned substances as mainstream, doctors, parents, athletes and coaches could acquire a greater knowledge and understanding of them. Use could be made much safer, clinical trials could be performed and dangerous overuse curbed.

The technology exists to test for levels of most of the substances on the "banned drugs" lists.What if we declared that certain levels of them in the body were acceptable, while excessive amounts would result in penalties? Athletes could satisfy their drive to be faster and stronger. Drugs could move from the black market to the legitimate sports-medicine community. Athletes could stop experimenting on themselves. It would be safer to take the substances, and with medical monitoring, there would be fewer negative side effects. And we could stop vilifying athletes and feel some relief because we would no longer have to keep pushing against this inevitable evolution of what sports has become. Tracks gets faster, nutrition gets more specific and training techniques improve.

But what do we say to our kids who ask, "Is this what I have to do to excel?" Well, let's start with a resounding "yes!"

If that answer bothers you, consider if that same child asks, "Will I have to get injured to be a great football player?" The fact that injury and playing football go hand in hand hasn't stopped too many parents from encouraging their kids to play the game.

Kids probably know far more about anabolic steroids than their parents. Is this the way it should be? In the same way that we have learned about injury prevention and safety equipment, we need performance drugs exposed to the hot light of public scrutiny. We need to legitimize their use.With more information and a more realistic view of our elite athletes, parents and kids can make more informed choices about their extracurricular activities.

It sickened me to listen to Jones have to apologize to everyone she loved for lying to them and letting them down. She was arguably the greatest female sprinter in our history, and thanks at least in part to our own hypocrisy, her reputation has been destroyed. Perhaps a more realistic view of the role of performance enhancements will prevent another Jones ordeal.

Kate Schmidt participated in the 1972, 1976 and 1980 Olympics, winning bronze medals in the javelin throw in '72 and '76.

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published at Oct 16th 2007 6:30am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Dan Bryant

identifying scratch would really be appreciated by a concerned father. I am very serious about this. Thank you.

published at Oct 16th 2007 6:38am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/