"The Ring" archive entries from Oct 16th 2007

Quote from LetItRip

I give her credit for coming out and saying what she did, whether i agree with everything she said, you have to tip your cap to her for attempting to improve a bad situation in sports, and especially Track & Field. How many others have done the same ? exactly.. not many.. No one to be looked at as that person, so again, thanks Kate.

Whether you agree or not, she vocalizes valid points and throws out possibilities that no one would dare say in public.

Im not ready to let Marion in my Track club just yet, but you can see her points regarding all of sports and how the public has allowed and warranted whether knowingly or not.. I mean cmon, do we need to mention the WWF,etc. This is a drug factory on wheels, but its fans want to see this. How exciting will it be like she said when our best thrower is throwing 66-68. Just making a point, meaning we want to see big marks in all sports.. so, it has become a vicious cycle.. At what point does it end ? Where do we draw the line, and realize that we are all part of the problem we dont like in sports. As im saying this, i have to ask myself the same question. If im so against drugs in the throws, etc, can i say the same about my cowboys or yankees ? What if my favorite cowboy receiver didnt look like arnold and caught half as many balls because the DB would pound him off the line ? Can i deal with this..
All questions we have to ask ourselves..

Anyway, again, whether you agree or not, have some appreciation for what she said in public in an attempt to open peoples eyes on this subject which we are oh so passionate about.. Just my opinion..

Mike
LetItRip!

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published at Oct 16th 2007 12:24pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from LetItRip

I am actually tired of DRUG talk for the day too I am going to watch a 70Footer throwing video to get amped up a little and work out so the kids dont crush me in overheads this year!!!

Mike
LetItRip Baby!!!

published at Oct 16th 2007 12:27pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from flyzguy

I think if the ring had different threads then the drug conversation could stay there, and we wouldn't have to search through all the e-pollution on the ring to get to the posts that don't have to do with drugs. It's really annoying when I have to read every post to find decent info. If I didn't want to read urban myths about steroids, then I could simply not click that thread.

I know that it would very scary for many of us to accept a change of "the ring" but let's face it, as much as we all love and adore it, the technology sucks, and makes these flaming drug wars unavoidable. I do not want to bash K. Carr here at all. I love his work like I love the work of the wright brothers. He created something wonderful that still works today. Its helped so many people. Kevin Rocks. It's just that it could work a lot better, that's all my opinion boils down to.

If we don't want to make any big scary changes, then we could at least learn to use subjects that reflect the SUBJECT of the conversation. Not attempts at witty lean-ins to the post: "You know what I THINK...", not personal messages "RE: MrSHOTPUT", just a tag that lets everyone browsing know what you are talking about. It's all we have got as far as message organization on this wonderful, addicting, but outdated forum.

published at Oct 16th 2007 12:39pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Harry

You have been given an invitation to name names, so lets have it then...

Uncover the veil.

For all we know you are merely urinating into the wind.

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published at Oct 16th 2007 12:41pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from heycoach

State governors? Some were pretty huge back in the 70s and 80s.

published at Oct 16th 2007 1:16pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from ABG

Most of this posturing is exactly what you are suppose to focus on. Not the fact that Track and Field has been bent over since the first time big money was to be made off of Amatuers. No representation, No power.

If you know Kate you would know there is more there than just opinion. By the way, L Jay Sylvester stood up in the last open doping meeting USATF ever had at their convention and called for the abolishment of the testing program.

You can own one third of the Olympic Track and Field team for less than the signing bonus of a late round NBA player.

You guys are pissed off about the wrong thing.

ABG

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published at Oct 16th 2007 1:58pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from wutangb

If you are 6"0 tall is it better to use the rotation or glide technique in shot put?

published at Oct 16th 2007 6:44pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from JRapp

I assume Scratch got banned? How many names did he get to? I figured he would get to about Name #3 before he got booted. It's almost like getting a cancerous tumor removed....although I'll admit I have mixed feelings about his "name names" campaign...oh well.

published at Oct 16th 2007 8:41pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from LetItRip

There is no beter or worse...

Depends on the athlete, the coach, the commitment, the preference...

Theres no doubt that there were the stories of the spin being better for the shorter athlete, but that has ben proven to be hogwash with 6'6 300 pounders doing quite well with the rotational technique over the years.. The answer is quite simple.. What does the athlete prefer.. feel more comfortable with.. have a better rhythm with.. Wiling to take the time to learn..Theres no doubt the spin allows for a longer accelleration path for the shot, and more of the longest throws have come from spinners, however there have been plenty of bigtime throws with the glide of course..

If the athlete isnt willing to put in serious reps and time to develop the rotational technique (Because it will), as well as have the assistance of a decent coach who is willing to do the same, my recommendation is to go with the glide.

Easy rule i go by..

Good Dynamic athlete, good commitment, fast, powerfull... no brainer..spin all the way

Not as athletic, bit lazy, done! Glider!!

Mike
LetItRip!

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published at Oct 16th 2007 10:40pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from w8coach

I don't think that is the criteria for choosing a style. The spin is harder to master but offers more release velocity if performed correctly.

published at Oct 16th 2007 10:40pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from 70footer

I don't know if anyone has seen it yet , but there is a new snickers commercial , and they tell this Viking that they are all out of snickers, so he is so upset, he picks up an oil barrel filled with garbage and shotputs it across the parking lot into someones car!!....I have seen it a couple times and looks like the guy throwing actually might BE a SHOTPUTTER....the guy really launches the damn barrel, anyone know if it is someone WE know???

published at Oct 16th 2007 11:15pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from prangeasaur

Sounds like the same arguement for "legalize drinking at 18 instead of 21." I'm not saying it is right or wrong, just an interesting viewpoint.

published at Oct 16th 2007 11:46pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from LetItRip

Hey..

I forgot to mention that this was my opinion coming from a part time high school coach. Thats why i mentioned the commitment part. Depending on yours or your athletes time and commitment, it has a huge effect on the ultimate level of technique achieved of course. In my experience, i have had had kids that were able to do well with the glide in a few weeks, where that is just not possible with the rotational SP. Again, reason i veered to this angle is i believe its been proven that tall or short athletes can master either based on athleticsm, commitment, and support system.

Mike
LetItRip!

published at Oct 16th 2007 11:47pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Norm Balke

I find it very challenging for HS athletes to do the rotational shot. In IA, we have a very short season. I have had a handful do it, none with great success. The best candidate that I can think of was a wrestler and he didn't usually come out until the end of March, which meant a 2 month season. He was football, wrestling, track, orchestra, and a good student, so he was spread pretty thin, time-wise. He threw fine without the spin, 58' and 173' discus.

I think one reason why there are so many HS gliders even though the majority of college and post-collegians spin, is that the college and older throwers are simply more gifted athletically!

2 cents.

nb

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published at Oct 17th 2007 12:02am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Glenn McAtee

is when she argues that we could allow a certain level of doping.

This would not solve our problem at all. Everyone woulld be operating at the limit and then someone would start to think that one of his competitiors was exceeding that limit and would start to go over so they could keep the playing field level. Then everyone would work toward finding ways to go over the limit and not get caught. How is that different than now?

We have already set the limit and that limit is zero. Now we just need to find a way to enforce that limit.

The drug problem is simple:
1. drugs help you improve in power and speed events.
2. the initial dosages required are not harmful.
3. over time the dosages required increase into the harmful zone
4. once you start using drugs, you are on a path toward harming your health.
5. sport should promote good health: physical and mental.
5. therefore drugs are banned and should remain so.

Viking: I heard Bondarchuk speak formally twice, and informally several times, and I do not think he used that line as a conversation stopper. He sees drug-free training as a much more complex and variable process than training on drugs.

I know that some of the athletes he coached used drugs. I also know that he has coached many people that did not use drugs, or did not use drugs until they were at a high level. Therefore, when he speaks on the subject, I listen. I think how you train is far less critical when you are using drugs. You can make lots of programming mistakes and not have problems. The razor's edge is not so thin when you are using performance enhancing drugs.

Just some thoughts.
Glenn

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published at Oct 17th 2007 12:14am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Rodney

Did you read ABG post last night? It was said that Silvester suggested that Drug Tests be stopped. Why? Does anyone know HOW much these test Cost? How much money is spent on them? I bet is much more then what is put into development! Why don't we have more money into Development? That way we'd have better training camps for up and coming athletes. Part of the training would be Health and wellness! You could have those throwers camps we used to do...and bring in someone like Brian Oldfield and he could show off his legs.... and that would make you think not to use! Ever see his legs? Even I got sick looking at them. See, we need to see some changes, Ever see an entrance to the olympic games? how many athletes, compared to the officials walking in the openning ceremonies for the US Team? Of course, this is the USOC....but I'm sure they double with the USATF....Maybe Too Top Heavy?

published at Oct 17th 2007 12:41am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/