"The Ring" archive entries from Oct 14th 2007

  • Quote from Kap

    I'd echo w8coach's comments of keeping the smooth technique the priority so speed and position "throw" the shot rather than willful effort. If he's got a solid basic technique across the ring and into the delivery use the 12 lb shot to sense the delay or separation between the leg action to block and the "sling" release that results from that block. More of the idea that the 12lb shot is easier to get ahead of or glide/spin away from, then the delivery comes from the block re-action.
    Bring him to see Glen Thompson in Harrisburg sometime, for sure when we do our Throwing School at Denver, PA in March (2nd weekend).

    published at Oct 14th 2007 4:32am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from The Truth

    I was curious why you know so much in regards to drug protocols. If you are truly coaching clean athletes, what is the benefit of doing so much in depth research on this subject? I would understand if you are trying to research athletes that are currently competeing against your athletes. Maybe in an attempt to see why they have an edge. These posts shed a negative light on you and your athletes. I just don't understand why you feel the need to continually weigh in on drug debates. You are giving athletes that may or may not be in the testing pool the knowledge to dope and bring their levels up to an elite level. Maybe I am completely out of line but it seems like you have the need to constantly tout your athletes as being "clean". I really begin to doubt this claim when I see constant reference to studies that are drug related.

    I also find it odd that the performance improvements of soem of your athletes are very similar to those of athletes that were in the studies you seem to know so much about. It just looks really off to me. Most guilty parties are the ones who feel the constant need to back up their innocence. What does everyone else think?

    published at Oct 14th 2007 5:34am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from MadDog

    I just want to say I disagree with your opinion. Just because someone researches the effects of drugs on performances dosent mean they are cheating. Track and Field unfortunatly has had and do have athletes who use drugs. It's hard to say who's doing what until that athelte is caught. I dont think anyone here believes every elite athlete is clean but with that being said until they may be caught you shouldent play a guessing game.

    published at Oct 14th 2007 6:14am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Oct 14th 2007 6:31am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from JRapp

    It's not like he threw 21m once and then 19m the rest of the time. He had several throws that were in range of his PB this year. 21.18, 21.17, 21.00, 20.95, 20.74, 20.52 etc...All of which were done at seperate meets. Did he do well at Worlds? No. But he's a young thrower and as big meet experience builds his performances will improve. Heaven forbit someone fails or does really well at a meet. Bedcause when they do we jump on them and say that either they were or they are doping. I'm not stupid and I know there's doping going on, but I'd rather believe that people are clean and get a bad taste in my mouth when they test positive rather than have the bad taste all the time like some of us do.

    published at Oct 14th 2007 6:54am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Oct 14th 2007 8:09am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from The Truth

    I respect what you have to say. I was not questioning your athletes. Just questioning your reasoning for discussing drug protocols so openly on this board. And just so everyone knows I was not talking about Dan. However based on your example, I do wonder what you think of a progression like this?

    59.72, 66.30, 72.51.

    published at Oct 14th 2007 9:18am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Oct 14th 2007 10:30am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from w8coach

    John,
    I think the general problem here is that even if ther hasn't been any specific implications of athletes, there have been many indirect implications made , even by you. I'm not going to calim you are wrong that athletes in the past have used, ( we can go back and find those posts if necessary) but the fact remains that athletes today are still using as evidenced by Marion and others. Nobady should be pointing their fingers at you or anyone for that matter, but instead at the system that causes the problem in the first place. The system wants top level performances and will turn its head in certain ways to ensure they will continue to happen. The system will not tolerate insubordination. It has become, over the years , a case by case situation. If you are close enough to the cause, you know the facts. The system commands the level of performance, creates loopholes for it to take place, and punishes those who don't go along. Stop pointing the fingers at each other or we become the animal itself. Instead, if we all want something different, lets make the change at the top that will fasilitate the utopia we desire.

    published at Oct 14th 2007 11:27am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from Coach Rodney

    Is Winning, Coming is first? or is Winning throwing a Personal Best. If your looking for Self Satification and walking away from a competition placing far from first place yet throwing a personal best, couldn't it be called winning? Or is it that you placed 2nd and loosing by a foot saying you got your behind slapped. I know some on here will say you need to win to be called a winner! Wonder if those two have won a meet? Lets see if they respond to this!!!!

    published at Oct 14th 2007 2:49pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Oct 14th 2007 11:34pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

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