"The Ring" archive entries from Oct 12th 2007

    Quote from JRapp

    A "NO Douches" policy is a good one to go by. I would love to get back into the fold, but the right opportunity has to present itself.

    Quote of the Week

    "I think the Chicago Bulls have the right idea. Remember all those head cases they had after the Jordan era? Mike Gattone worked at the Berto then and he told me that one time when he was trying to help Ron Mercer do some stability exercises, Mercer looked at him and said, "I don't do that faggot shit." But then John Paxson came in and decided to build a program where there was no room for head cases. They cut loose or traded some pretty talented guys because they wanted to build a culture where hard work was honored. I'd like to do the same thing. And nothing sabotages that culture more quickly or surely than having your most talented guy be a douche."

    published at Oct 12th 2007 10:29am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from Dan McQuaid

    I have plenty of kids on my team who have two left feet. As long as they work hard, they'll always have a place with me. But if I'm trying to coach kids who really want to get better and some other kid is off to the side mooning people or socking somebody or otherwise engaging in some serious grabass, he's going to have to take his act elsewhere. I think the Duke would agree.

    --Dan McQuaid

    published at Oct 12th 2007 10:29am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    published at Oct 12th 2007 11:09am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from Coach Mac

    The most amazing thing to me is that Scratch has to be over 117-years old if he played the WIZARD in the original Wizard of Oz movie ? "I am the magnificent Oz...I KNOW all "....LOL

    According to my sources Frank Morgan the actor born 1890 died in 1949 but NOW I knoiw that re-incarnation exists...WOW you never know who will write comments on the RING next. Maybe the original SUPERMAN will post tomorrow ?

    Have a nice REALITY check Day !
    mac~

    published at Oct 12th 2007 11:54am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    published at Oct 12th 2007 12:17pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from CSickler1

    I'd say let everyone stay, we had very cool 35 footers and 90 footers in the disc that just made going to practice fun, esp during the days when nothing would go right. During those meets with entry standards they can stay home the same way I sit out during US nationals every year.

    BTW, Don't make fun of JS, I love thinking I could turn to drugs to break 200

    published at Oct 12th 2007 12:54pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from w8coach

    I think you missed the point on which type of hero that Coach Rodney was refering to. Giveing a human beings a chance to figure things out themselves. I don't think there are too many that make it to the next level that aren't supposed to be there. On the ohter hand there are fans and supporters that got a brief chance for life. Remember, JW wore a white hat!

    published at Oct 12th 2007 12:59pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from Coach Rodney

    I think what you said is, You as the coach, you will have control over your program, your athletes. If you don't have control, you will get those young boys and girls who will mess around and disrupt YOUR program. If those who mess up in YOUR program did that in the classroom, what would that teacher do? Or is it different today then it was many years ago and the teacher or coach hasn't the control. In the throws, one thing we teach is Safety. If you have those who screw around, then you have lost control. I think the Duke would agree!

    published at Oct 12th 2007 3:04pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from Coach Rodney

    Can you explain your meaning to "WIN" ! Then look at what I wrote earlier and then what you wrote. I didn't write about communist. I mentioned a time that a man and his country wanted to rule the world. I wasn't around then, but thats history. When I was young, I looked up to several of the coaches That taught me. They taught me how to run, and jump and move, and throw. They taught me the basic's. They were the hero's of my life because they help me become a better athlete. See I have many HERO's Scratch, They are the Coaches who would stay out and help the kids after I had thrown, Or the ones who work with 300 kids on his team, and then worked with the Special Olympic kids. I look at the young girl who NEVER did a athletic event,ever, who would come out her senior year and pick up the discus and each week would set a personal best, only to get this little cute smile on her face, and would be embrassed because others would let her know she improved. See Scratch, I didn't spare you, You spared yourself. Maybe the kid that has heavy feet should be rewarded for his/her accomplishments just like the kid that sets the school record or wins the state championship. Isn't that what High School athletics are about. Teaching and seeing the results. Scratch, Don't know who you are, but you had some great people lay into you tonight. Hopefully you can see the light and except those hugs and smiles from the kids you coach or teach and maybe someday you can be called a HERO.

    published at Oct 12th 2007 3:35pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from Chuck N.

    Wow...didn't think I would have to explain myself on that one. I mean, I knew your reading comprehension was bad when you gave your rambling "inspirational" speech that would be along the lines of Belushi in Animal House (except that was a joke)even though the original poster said he was being forced to make cuts.

    But you can't connect the dots on how I might have a new understanding of your CRAAAAAAZY, albeit unintelligent and generally to blame for anything bad you say "Gorilla" when you referred to African-Americans as "colored"?

    Here's a hint: I was joking you were racist.

    published at Oct 12th 2007 3:54pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from Coach Rodney

    Wow !! that is what is to be said for Paul Potts. What a talent and I'm glad "Coach Mac" shared this with us. Thanks Bob.
    Back in the early 80's I was a cop in Oregon. Got called to a store cause a juvenile was caught shoplifting. He was just 13. I sent him home with his mom and I didn't put him into the system. Several years later he is a freshman and came out for football. I coached at the HS. The day he came out...his shoes were on the wrong feet, he put his shoulder pads on backwards, He was a site for laughs with his peers and the coaching staff, and he didn't do it on purpose! Four years later....he was all state as a lineman. Went on to play at a small college in eastern Oregon. He came from a poor family, two of his brothers died, one playing chicken on a hwy and the other hung hisself. This was in his soph. year of HS. He called me....See Young Paul was not the best student, was ugly and his peers would make fun of him. he wasn't the best athlete by no means...we could have cut him that first week of practice. We didn't....I could have put him in the system that first time I met him.....I didn't.....he could have given up after his two brothers did what they did......He didn't......Guess that's what life is all about. Looks can change your views of people, Ugly, different colors, thin, fat, tall and short. And, the sounds that come out of your mouth or the words you say. Again Thanks to Bob on Paul Potts!

    published at Oct 12th 2007 4:20pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from JRapp

    I was part of McQuaid's program and I can tell you he gives every single kid there the opportunity to succeed. When you have 30 kids on a high school throws team there's no way to control all of them. The kids need to be held accountable of there actions as well. At the age of 2 or 3 you hold their hand crossing the street. At what point does that stop. You're never going to be able to force a kid to want to be a good thrower. A coach provides the guidance and the tools, but it's up to the athlete to utilize those things. If they choose to not do that then they have no business being on the team. Desire is not something that a coach can provide. The kids that don't have that desire use their energy towards something else....usually a game of tickle butt. So, what good is it doing those kids to be on the team. They're not helping themselves and they're not helping those around them.

    published at Oct 12th 2007 10:07pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from JRapp

    I'm not a high school coach and I have all the respect in the world for high school throws coaches. I think Coach Rodney makes some excellent points about giving kids a chance. The kids that should get cut are not the kind that he describes. A kid who is given every opportunity in the world to succeed (as it pertains to the individual) and embraces it deserves the right to be on the team, and deserves the attention of the coach. The one who is offered opportunity on a silver platter and chooses to ignore it...doesn't. The Paul Potts of the world are the golden ones and the Ryan Sass' of the world are the ones that take away from Paul Potts.

    published at Oct 12th 2007 10:34pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from smach

    You call yourself a coach? I suppose you've never heard of the quote that states "every expert in something was once a beginner." See with your philosophy you intend on cutting kids with no talent and keeping kids with talent, but what you're really doing is showing how bad of a coach you really are. Anyone who knows a fair amount about throwing can maintain or better an athlete with potential, but it takes a GREAT coach to DEVELOP talent. If you want a good example, look no further than Mr. Adam Nelson. If his coach cut him when he was the worst thrower on his team where would he be today? You really need to grow up man, this forum is for coaches and athletes looking to get better. If you have anything that appears to be a rational thought say it, other wise shut up.


    published at Oct 12th 2007 11:09pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from 70footer

    in regards to the previous posts about those that have been caught taking drugs in our sport...if you take drugs and are caught then of course you have to do the time for the infraction...but in todays athletic arena ,be it shotputting, baseball , or whatever , it is obvious that drugs are a large part of the atmosphere. So unless we go to blood tests and hair samples i think it will continue to be so for a long time. my point is that while Randy Barnes was caught , to just dismiss him as a cheater is a little bit naive; in other words we are at the same time assuming that no one else is doing drugs. perhaps lets just assume they didn't get caught.

    I would say that in my time throwing I have known a vast amount of people that have used drugs , BUT it does not and will not make you a champion....and pick anyone , anywhere in the world and give him as many drugs as you like and my bet is he would still NOT throw the shot 75' 10'' , and would not be able to come back on his last throw at the olympics to go over 70 feet and take the gold.

    So you can say Randy was caught but please don't dismiss the best thrower of all time as not being the best, because he was and still is. and his hall of fame induction is long over due.

    published at Oct 12th 2007 11:44pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

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