Quote from w8coach
6'-2" 240 under 400 lb bench, 300 low clean 250 snatch, sq 400 maybe Average speed 4.8 40 yd. 60'-11 shot put at conf champs in 1990. No hammer no weight. 70.84 at Salinas in 1992 Dad, Joe 200'-1" mostly in the 170's and 180's
published at Oct 11th 2007 1:21am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from mwillard
The Gill Discus Symposium has been canceled due to low registration numbers. I would like to thank all of the speakers that were commited to our event.
published at Oct 11th 2007 1:30am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from slug
I would start by asking if the head coach plans to do cuts all around, not just throwers.
Seems like it may be doing a disservice to some young athletes by cutting them. Track and field, and specifically throwing, are very developmental in their skill acquisition.
I like to tell my young throwers (HS) that it takes a minimum of two years before they start to really 'get it' (and that is a low ball time frame. Plus, as we know, many HS kids take several years to mature physically. Wouldn't it be a shame to cut a kid who, with time and hard work, could become a state champion?
For the record, I had a tall, lanky kid who couldn't walk ten feet without falling as a freshman. By his senior year, he was runner up at the state meet in the shot put.
Bottom line for me is that high school is about creating opportunities for young people.
Sorry for the rant. I ran into the cutting issues several years back with my AD. Took time and lots of discussion, but finally won out.
Essex High School
Essex Junction, VT
published at Oct 11th 2007 2:45am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from LetItRip
My first thought is how could this be ? then im thinking this thing is close to the NTCA.. Just had the Canada event, and then December is the Vegas conference.. I guess theres just so many throws coaches, with just so much $$ to travel.
published at Oct 11th 2007 3:02am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from saminal
Good points made by slug, in my opinion. I do not cut anyone. We had 30 varsity and 17 middle school throwers last year. My daughter was a Senior and probably was effected. But I strongly believe in not cutting anyone that shows true interest. There are logistical challenges but I have found many ways around most. We had an all-american, 2 state titles, 5 state events and kids all the way to just getting into the pit. They are all equal. One of the most fun things was getting a girl to throw cartwheel technique 24 feet. That was a victory on many levels. Sorry I will get off box, where there is a will there is a way.
published at Oct 11th 2007 3:06am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from shortstuff
I was reading what I think were Monday's posts about That cheating sprinter and the relay medals. I apologize if my following statement has been posted already.
I think the difference in taking away the medals of the relay team (which I think stinks, but is the way it should be, because there is no way to be certain the US relay team would have even placed had there not been a cheating member. I would like to note that I am not dogging the other members of the relay team here, just the Cheater)and taking away the medals of the entire US Olympic team, is that there is no "team" gold medal in track, there are medals for individual events, the relay being one of those events.
published at Oct 11th 2007 4:52am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from LetItRip
Interesting but a little boring.. lol
i found myself thinking did this guy really get screwed ? How could this go on, and surely this cant happen to an innocent athlete ? thought some more, than remembered he tested positive 2X... I then closed my thinking..
How many stories are there like this one ? One that testing was really botched and an athlete lost title, medals, etc ?
Or are most of them just stalemates where an athlete will find some stupid mistakes that were made that allow the reasonable doubt of the results to come in ?
published at Oct 11th 2007 5:19am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from hel320
Not a coach, no great throwing resume, compete in the master's, have learned a lot from discussions on this forum . I
published at Oct 11th 2007 8:00am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from jayess
More young throwers equals more throwing supporters down the road. Football, baseball and basketball get a lot of support from people for no other reason that they remember having participated in them when they were young. More supporters produces more media coverage, which produces more money for the sport, which produces more successful throwers.
Don't cut any kid, and let them learn to love it. You're planting seeds that will produce big results.
published at Oct 11th 2007 9:15am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from jayess
Every year after the season is over, talk on this board turns to weight lifting and steriods. As the next season approaches throwing posts will predominate again. It seems to be a natural cycle.
Oh yeah, you'll also see a little drama from time to time. The current "edition" is Scratch and Mac. It used to be various people vs Tunks, or Oertersupporter vs the world.
It's all good.
published at Oct 11th 2007 9:21am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from discusdoc
John Powell manages to keep more than 75 athletes busy all day for a week at his summer camp at Dennison University. The facility has only one discus/hammer circle and one shot circle.
There is no need to cut throwers with efficiently run practices. Take a look at the "Contrarian Discus Technique" at DanJohn.org for some ideas on running large scale practices with minimal facilities.
published at Oct 11th 2007 9:47am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Harry
My stance is the same for any person who is caught cheating.
I don't either believe for one second that anyone can be "screwed" there are too many people who use, and then get caught and use the same excuse.
"a special cream was rubbed into my calves that caused me to have a raised level of etc..."
"i was eating a particular supplement that raised my level of testosterone"
i think the criteria should be, once a cheat, never able to be in hall of fame.
Rules out a few people.
published at Oct 11th 2007 10:13am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Viking
For those that have their doubts,it's the American sports companies that rule the world of athletics and the drug testing scene.
Mr ABG,i'd like you to tell me for which country other than the US would the following scenario be true (a scenario that has happened and was in the news of many countries except probably from the US): The flying doctors chasing a bunch of athletes from a certain country and them finding shelter inside a battleship of their own country being there for the sake of the "safety of the Olympic Games".And when showing their credentials and information that the requested athletes were on the ship the answer was "no information for people aboard is given and no entry is permitted".
Well,the country in question is the US,the scene was the 2004 Olympics and the athletes were a pretty big portion of the US team (all the sprinters) ,the name of the battleship i don't know but it was in Creta island.
A LOT of countries might have the right to say they're being screwed but NOT the US,the coinventors and pioneers of doping,now more than ever as evidenced by the recent medals.
published at Oct 11th 2007 12:09pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from tomsonite
I think Satch HAS to cut throwers because the head coach wants him to...correct? I don't think he WANTS to...
published at Oct 11th 2007 12:38pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Chuck N.
I love it when Viking posts. He's like the anti-Tomsonite.
The US has covered up tons of positive tests over the years. Just ask Carl Lewis. Oops! Guess we don't talk about it when our own country does it. It's such a shame that that cheater Ben Johnson had to take the glory away from our clean athlete, Carl Lewis. I bet Carl thought Ben cheating was totally gay. Is USATF still trying to keep that one a secret too?
published at Oct 11th 2007 12:51pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Lomsy
"I don't either believe for one second that anyone can be "screwed"..."
I used to be in the police and I once overheard heard a sergeant boast about putting a guy in jail on phony confessions. I can't be as optimistic as you when it comes to thinking the system always works fairly and that the innocent never get falsely punished. (The sergeant would have argued that the guy was guilty, but it doesn't really matter does it, he went to jail whether he was guilty or innocent because the sergeant wanted him to!!!!)
I could imagine that, in spite of the safeguards, it would be readily achievable to arrange a false positive test. In Werner's book, which you've no doubt read, you might remember it was put to him by somebody that his competitors could be rubbed out with a false positive.
Now whether the person taling to him was full of shit, and whether this happened to Barnes I don't know and never will. I just couldn't rule it out as a possibility because there are some nasty sons of bitches in this world who are capable of these things.
I suppose that this is neither here nor there. In a way it is a waste of energy to worry about these things. You know the way you want to run your career and that's what counts. As long as you're open to the idea of a clean athlete being the best athlete and work out how that might be achieved, then there's nothing else to think about but that.
Hope your training is going well and all the best for this season.
published at Oct 11th 2007 3:37pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/