"The Ring" archive entries from Sep 20th 2007

  • Quote from w8coach

    I think you made a tremendous point, and the one I have been attempting to make in previous discussions. Strength is the easier component compared to tech to learn in the throwing spectrum and is the one opted for in too many cases. Technical development may take long but will provide more reliable results, that's my contention.

    published at Sep 20th 2007 1:51am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from tomsonite

    A good point. When I was in high school I pretty much didn't care at all about strength, all I cared about was technique and throwing far. As a result I neglected lifting and ended up having decent technique in the shot with no strength to back it up. Since I'm not Janus Robberts I only threw 46'.
    I think what's important is realizing which one, technique or strength, is your weakness and know which one to work on more. As a result of concentrating so much on shot technique in high school, I learned 'how to learn technique' well if you will. I think because of this I've managed to have decent hammer technique in only three years of doing it. In addition, I now realize the importance of strength and I'm doing my best to get stronger, since my strength levels are still low relative to my teammates and guys I will be competing against. Hopefully getting stronger in the weight room plus continued work on technique will result in some big PBs this season.

    To sum it up, you need to find the strength vs. technique balance that works for you, and that won't be the same for every person.

    published at Sep 20th 2007 2:13am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Sep 20th 2007 2:50am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from w8coach

    I think you are correct about quality time in the weightroom and hitting your physical peaks. I also realize that strength is also a mental discipline that helps the thrower in the ring. It is amental as well as a physical challenge to push to new weightroom pr's. That mental approach transends to the ring and helps to break pr's there as well.

    published at Sep 20th 2007 4:02am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Sep 20th 2007 4:08am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from Lauren

    Just replying to the postes from the last few days. I totally agree that throwing in the stadium is helpful to promote the events and as a thrower that where I wanted to be; but as a meet director you close your eyes everytime a hammer leaves the cage when you have other events going on. The hammer sector and discus sector are the same but as we all know the hammer tends to find it's way out of the cage. Unlike a discus if it hits the cage theres a lood chance its still going out someplace as a discus usually drops. I've seen a number of hammers get pulled and hooked out of IAAF cages. The last thing the event needs is someone getting hurt.

    published at Sep 20th 2007 4:27am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from Harold F

    In my experience, I have found that the athletes who focus too much on technique, and consider themselves "technical throwers" are the ones who are too lazy to really work in the weight room. The weight room is a difficult place to make substantial gains. And those gains hurt. They are exhausting. They are earned.

    Technical gains can be made by solely investing TIME in drills and throwing and video taping. They aren't all that physically demanding the way lifting is. If a thrower has decent athleticism (and a decent coach) technique is relatively easily come by (in terms of physical effort) and focusing too much on this aspect of training will not lead to much success.

    I believe lifting is the work, throwing is the reward. One cannot survive on rewards all the time, they lose their value.

    published at Sep 20th 2007 4:35am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Sep 20th 2007 5:17am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from w8coach

    In my experience, I have found that athletes who focus on too much weight room, and are considered "strong throwers" are the ones that are too lazy to really work on technique. These gains hurt and are exhausting ,too.If technique is relatively easy to come by why do so few poses it? Or better yet, recognize it? The strength argument is usually used by the strong as that is where they have invested their time. That is their belief. It is not one the technicialns of the past share.

    published at Sep 20th 2007 5:19am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from w8coach

    I just want to clarify that I have never in any post saidnthat weightlifting was unimportant and not to be performed in place of tech work. I have only stated that tech is much harder to perfect and takes more time to get there. Most opt for emphasis on strength as it comes faster. If strength were the most important component, the event would be dominated by the strong only.

    published at Sep 20th 2007 5:38am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from Tony Dziepak

    What is your test quad scores, and your vertical jump now vs. your college days? I think the decline over the 40 years is mostly not directly age-related, but comes mostly from the drastic reduction in training volume due to work and family, resulting in a trimming of warm-up, cool-down, and recovery activities, resulting in less effective recovery. This leads to less opportunity to build volume and intensity without setbacks from minor injuries and an inconsistent schedule due to work and family commitments. As a result, the thrower achieves a lower level of athleticism and dynamic strength.

    published at Sep 20th 2007 6:12am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from w8coach

    I understand that strength is the fastest way to thorwing a certain distance. Some of the best meets, Olympics and the Trials , cater to the strong as far as warmups etc. I know many athletes that are sub par lifters that are tops in theor sprot and even world record holders and Olympic Champions. Although they worked out dilligently in the wieght room, they hung their hats on theor superior tech.They practiced the best tech they could and they were consistent in every venue.

    published at Sep 20th 2007 6:30am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

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