"The Ring" archive entries from Aug 31st 2007

  • Quote from Coach Herring

    Much of what you said was mentioned in my question. I know I threw the shot in middle school too, but had no coaching. If these athletes are "working on technique" in the shot, why aren't they being coached in the disc as well? I know the hammer is another issue as most states don't throw hammer in high school.

    published at Aug 31st 2007 5:51am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Aug 31st 2007 6:22am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Aug 31st 2007 7:18am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Aug 31st 2007 7:22am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from w8coach

    Sound like miscomunication still exists. What I'm attemting to convey to you is that we are on the same page when you you refered to inflexibility as the culprit. What I'm saying is that athletes taht learn to get strong first usually give up some of theis flexibility and in turn rely on the the shortening of the level(lever arm. The connection that I'm refering to is the one that is established from the back of the circle to the front of the circle that is initiated by the lower body and finished in the end by the upper body throough balance points, foot pivoing and complete motions. It is only impossible to contract , in the way you are seeing it, as it is a static movement. The discus thrower is moving but still can apply incorrect pressure to the discus because of the movement. This is the unweighted implement, one that has been motivated by the legs and arms moving across the ring. On the contrary too many throwers use their right arms at the end of the throw the discus. Are not aware of stretch reflex being able to move the limbs much faster than a human could contract them? I would have to say that if I had the best of both worlds, I love to have a athlete that I could teach to master the tech and then get him strong. Of course large, strong muscles would be able to handle a larger stretch reflex load, but the norm is usually one or the other.

    published at Aug 31st 2007 7:22am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from w8coach

    I understand the challenge of fixing poor understanding of the tech. It's always difficult for an athlete to let go consciously or subconsciously of what they may have been doing wring for four years. As I told you before , I am intrigued by some of the specific strength theories but am still a firm believer in throwing light implements for the reasons I outlined before. Isn't this the type of discussion the ring needs? Putting the things out there that could help all and not just our own personal twists on the subject? Maybe we'll disgree on which came first, the chicke or the egg, but having a forum that we can look at the solid technical things and the flaws that the best throwers are using , and be able to comment on it is just an avenue to get better understanding.

    published at Aug 31st 2007 7:32am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Aug 31st 2007 2:46pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from KP

    The simple answer to that simple question is always yes; there is no perfectly refined technique regardless of the athlete, and the answer would be yes to similar simple questions of stronger, quicker, more flexible and on and on. The question which you should have asked is; would Ramona have thrown further if she sacrificed some of her strength training energy for more technical work?

    The answer there is absolutely not. There will always be some flaws in technique, but we had her technique pretty much where we wanted it most of the time after 1985, changing when necessary, and I really like her technique. But I am biased. Others are allowed their opinion, but she has held the American Record for over 22 years now, and she is still the #5 non-bloc putter ever. Physical development and technical development should always increase equally to reach the highest levels of our sport. It sure would have helped if she had a better coach though

    published at Aug 31st 2007 5:16pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from Coach Herring

    In reference to your comment on HS girls throwing the 3k shot. I have heard you say before and agree that the men have an advantage, because they kow what its like to throw 60+ feet coming out of high school. I also think we share common heavy implement training concepts, so that being said. What are your thoughts on a HS girl doing most of her training reps with a 3k. I think you were implying that they competition weight should be changed to 3k, to allow the women the same advantage the men get (throwing far in HS). Just wondering, because I am not big on light weight training.

    published at Aug 31st 2007 9:06pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • Quote from w8coach

    Although we all share respect for, not only for the distances she threw but the impact she had on the women's side of the sport.r Ramona's accomplishments were aoutstanding and still are to this day, I won't argue that point. I will say that I still think that improved tech would have been more beneficial than just pure strength and a combination of both would ahve been the best. I don't think you or anyone else could argue that she demonstrated perfect tech as I don't know any thrower in the history of the sport that practiced it.Some of the best technicians of history were not the biggest or the strongest. It's always going to be my contention that the better technician will hold up in all competitions and will be much closer to their maximum potentials.

    published at Aug 31st 2007 10:51pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

  • published at Aug 31st 2007 11:42pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

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