"The Ring" archive entries from Aug 29th 2007

These are the posts from "The Ring" archive on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/ from day Aug 29th 2007

Quote from jayess

Am I missing something? Was all this posting drama started by one guy who wondered aloud if Kanter might break the WR in Maui?

Is there some other post that Coach Rodney was ranting about? I sure didn't see it.

Anyway...Yeah I think a guy who can throw close to 70m in a stadium has a great shot at breaking the WR at a windy venue. I think it's a valid question, considering the WR has stood for so long and a lot of people would like to see the records from that era broken.

published at Aug 29th 2007 1:03am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Herring

Great throwers throw far. Farther with good wind. As for Alekna, the guy can't win every time, when was the last time he finished out of the medals in a championship meet?

The best throwers throw far consistently,what I find hard to comprehend is how do you explain those that have 5-6 meter PR's or SB's. Can a good wind take a consistent 60m thrower to 66m for one great windy meet? Is there that much advantage?

published at Aug 29th 2007 1:05am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from 70footer

I have the same question as coach herring....how much difference does a good wind make? and what is the best known discus throw in an enclosed stadium , I would bet that Kanters 226' is right about there...

published at Aug 29th 2007 1:13am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from jayess

Yep - But you have to hit the right angle of attack and launch angle for the wind. I've seen a study that says a perfectly thrown discus (I've never seen one of those by the way) can get 8 more meters in a 10mps (22mph) headwind. Over 10 additional meters in a 20 mps headwind.

published at Aug 29th 2007 1:16am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from sdevil

Now that I've looked at a few things I would not be surprised to find that Alekna owns the greatest stadium average and longest stadium throw.

published at Aug 29th 2007 1:25am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from jayess

It doesn't surprise me that Alekna has the longest stadium throw. You gotta know that he could own the WR too, if he had just done a little wind chasing. I guess it doesn't matter to him that much, and all he wants to do is win.

published at Aug 29th 2007 1:30am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from LetItRip

I dont ever think about wind when it comes to discus throwing for the most part.. maybe because my kids havent thrown over 185. I teach them the basic impact of different winds and possible change of release angles, etc. Other than that, i feel like wind is something we cannot control, so dont worry about it..since someone asked about an example, heres one..

Im not targeting this thrower specifically other than it's the first example i can think of when talking about wind.. AJ Curtis, if you check the IOWA web site has 5 of his better discus throws from the season listed..

172, 172, 168,159,202

that 202 was thrown clearly on a nice windy day, from what i read, and its a perfect example of a "REALLY" good wind, and what it could do to your performance. Of course this thrower might have hit it as well, but the throw was more than 25' longer than any of his other throws listed. thats significant. Now of course i dont think this is normal, and something that you can count on.

Mike
LetItRip!

Display More

published at Aug 29th 2007 1:33am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Coach Herring

Wow, I knew if you could get it to turn over you could get some nice carry over, but I always figured we were talking about a few meters. thanks.

published at Aug 29th 2007 1:44am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from jayess

This is kind of technical stuff, and probably won't be everybody's cup of tea, but another Ringer turned me on to it, so I'll pass on the favor.

http://scitation.aip.org/getpdf/servlet/GetPDFServlet?filetype=pdf&id=AJPIAS000049000012001125000001&idtype=cvips&prog=normal

published at Aug 29th 2007 1:48am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from heycoach

for Harting? Wasnt he suppose to wear something under his jersey so when he ripped it off, the NIKE symbol would be displayed? Oh well maybe next time. What was he thinking? I know he was happy. But get a tan.

published at Aug 29th 2007 2:00am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Hunter

Wasnt there an article in LSTJ a few years ago by Silvester where he talked about "flying the discus"? I believe he argued that if Godina had a technically sound release in perfect conditions, he could throw 250-260'.

Anybody have this article?

published at Aug 29th 2007 2:00am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Hunter

3rd in discus and 4th in shot...very impressive!

published at Aug 29th 2007 2:01am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from tomsonite

Schult himself said that his WR was a result of perfect wind conditions. If you look at the rest of his series from that day, I don't know the numbers off the top of my head but I think his next best throw was somewhere around 215'/65.50m. I could be wrong but I know all his other throws that day were significantly shorter.

published at Aug 29th 2007 2:36am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from tomsonite

And yeah, damn, Rutger Smith had a hell of a Championships. He's definitely the best shot/disc doubler competing today.

published at Aug 29th 2007 2:37am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Tony Dziepak

With his 66.60 PR in the Osaka qualifying round, Rutger moves up from 13th to 6th on the S-D combo list:

http://www.geocities.com/aedziepak/combo.htm

published at Aug 29th 2007 3:00am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from DemonThrower82

In september, there will be held a couple of throwing competitions in Helsingborg, Sweden. At the same location where Gerd threw 73,38 last year. They are called World Record Galas...

I know that the "world record" in a stadium is Alekna from 2000. In Zurich (71,12)

There is a great difference in throwing in a stadium with walls all the way around, but luckily the best throwers in the world are able to throw both in and out of stadiums. Lets not speculate whether Gerd could have broken the world record if the wind had been right. What if Tyson Gay had 2,0 m/s backwind, and what if, what if, what if..

published at Aug 29th 2007 3:30am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from scrookie

I have heard that Jurgen does not feel that his best throw was 74.08. Rather that day he had a good throw with very amazing conditions. He does not reckon his technique was the best ever, and he was more satisfied with his major title victories than holding the World Record.

Alekna seems the same way. The money is in the Golden League/Grand Prix meets. He goes there, wins and wins. Collects money and is content with throwing 68-70meters in stadiums across Europe and the World. I don't think the WR is that important to him at the time. I'm almost certain that if a meet were to offer him the same financial situations and competitors as a Oslo or Weltklasse positioned in Helsingborg, Salinas, Halle or some random meet with great wind conditions, that he WOULD attend and throw.

Kanter held together strongly tonight and made a huge step for himself. Throwing 69 meters is a hell of a throw regardless of conditions. He seemed to be very confident and on a mission. Rutger and Robert threw amazing! Robert has a cannon. I saw him throw a wobbly 63-64 in Germany earlier this year. It was just a matter of time for him to straighten it out. And if you haven't seen him, he's a Monster of a 23 year old man. I felt like a child.

After talking a lot with a variety of discus throwers, both American and Europeans about wind, this is what I have come to.

I love throwing in meets with great conditions. "If he wants the food, it's there". And the food is at places like Salinas, Helsingborg, Halle, and Maui.

However, personally you have to take it in perspective. If you throw 67 in Salinas, you have to realize depending on the day, the aid of the wind. I think Salinas can give any where from 2m to 6 meters depending on the day. I do not expect to throw 64.98 at every single meet, I know the wind helped me out. I know my best meet without an aiding wind was 62.53.

When you hit the big marks in Salinas, Maui, Helsingborg, it helps a few things. Helps you get into meets, helps the world ranking a little, and financially it is free. Maybe even receiving money based on contracts.

Windy meets will always be around, I doubt that will ever change.
Personally, after experiencing Europe for the first time, they look for great conditions too. But they will throw far regardless. Pestano broke his National record/PR in Athens, 68.30something. It was in a stadium, no wind at all. An Amazing throw.
I realize I hit the A standard in the wind, now the challenge is to do it in the Stadium. Because as you saw last night, a 64.50 thrower in a stadium is a completely different than a 64.50 in a windy field. And I will be the first to admit that.


Great job to all the competitors at Worlds. It was great to watch Live at 330AM!
I can only hope I will be in a meet of that caliber sometime soon

-Adam Kuehl

Display More

published at Aug 29th 2007 4:00am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Brad Reid

In Silvester's article, he commented on Godina's obvious speed, energy and power but lamented that he lost so much of it in the flight of the discus itself because the release was so high. That's how I recall it anyway.

I know in some stadiums, the wind is actually funneled down the field where it actually gains velocity. At least a few years ago in the late 1990s, the Texas Relays had some of the discus contests inside the football stadium, others outside. The wind was quite good for throwing for this very reason.

If you have ever been in a downtown with large high-rise buildings, the winds whipping in and around the buildings actually accelerate the wind... like water in a river accelerating as it is pinched in by a constriction in its flow path. Whitewater.

Without looking up the best stadium throws for Americans, Tony Washington's big winning throw in 1999 (I think), was one of the best ever, if not the best.

Cheers! Brad

Display More

published at Aug 29th 2007 4:00am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

Quote from Brad Reid

...

published at Aug 29th 2007 4:03am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/