Quote from Coach Herring
Without being to "wordy" as we know it is easy to misconstrue written posts. I think I agree with your line of thinking (as I apply the cause and effect approach in my coaching) but disagree with there only being 1 excepted method or application of technique for all throwers. Which is fine, i think we all coach our way.
In addition I am sure that my look at technique as well as my coaching style and philosophy differs from many successful coaches.
Further more, I have no affiliation or allegiance to any one, other than my athletes, and would never go with the flow or follow the masses. Quite the contrary I like to think that I have developed a unique system to coach my throwers, even if I share technical beliefs of others on this site.
published at Aug 25th 2007 1:16am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from w8coach
I agree with you that there is more than just one way to do things but there are also better ways to accomplich the same objective. It is my firm belief that creating free flowing , non-oppositional movements by complete motions throught stretch reflex are the most efficient way to maximize human performance. It would take a very educated, strong argument for me to change this way of thinking we are all effected by gravity in the same way.
published at Aug 25th 2007 1:33am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from jayess
I've recently been working on the mental imagine of "coach herring" and "w8coach" losing their internet connections.
Don't be afraid to dream big.
published at Aug 25th 2007 2:22am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Glenn McAtee
So here is the word back from Dr. Bondarchuk regarding the discussion about Litvisquats.
I emailed my buddy who is with Dr. B in Osaka and had him read the post from the other day to Dr. B.
Dr. B laughed and suggested that I tell everyone that the interval was actually 600m of sprinting.
He did say that Litvinov never did anything like this while he was under his supervision. He said the longest you should sprint after a squat was 30m, and that even this would be too general for a high performance athlete.
He said he does not know what Litvinov does now, but that he did not do this type of work as an athlete.
Having said that, if you wanted to improve someone's mental toughness, I think the front squat 405 then run 400m in 75s would be a killer workout for improving general condition.
published at Aug 25th 2007 2:32am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Coach Mac
Remember when Dr. B brought Yuri Tamm too California with the Pagels as there American hosts (Kent please verify...embellish or get into a pissing contest with me...grin )
I'll never forget the anticipation of seeing a real-live Russian hammer thrower throwing only 8-feet from my office door in Modesto.
Being somewhat idealistic and still a young coach with brown haor...I expected SUPERMAN too appear in a track singlet. Lo and behold what appeared was a soft, balding mid-life crisis belly with more of a jogging body trying too masquarade as an 80-meter world class hammer thrower. I just fiqured the 80-meter guy missed the plane and the "manager" had taken the trip.
The first warm up throw was unique for a couple of reasons. The right foot landed FLAT footed on all 3 of the turns. The ball had more V-E-L-O-C-I-T-Y than I had ever seen in real time note: landed mid 250's and sent UP a plume of sand about 8-10-feet...AWESOME site
The re-actions were pretty cool. My frosh-soph hammer throwers couldn't stop jabbering after the first "warm-up"...there coach couldv'e been blown over by a feather....LOL
NOTE to self..."Don't judge a book by it's cover "
I understand that Yuri Seydech learned his basic hammer technique in 6-months...Litvinov a little longer...Yuri Tamm 5-years. So yes there are DIFFERENCES in learning rates as well.
POST-MEET...I got wind of a pro-posed Russian Hammer Clinic post Modesto on the following day in Fresno. Tom Pagani tried too pull this off. If I remember correctly it fell apart over a $50 differance. I do remember Dr. B saying "We no need hammer clinc...YOU need hammer clinic"....classic line and it's to bad that $50 and perhaps ego got in the way !!!
Speaking of ego's...(next post)
Have a GREAT day !
published at Aug 25th 2007 3:34am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Coach Mac
Too suppose that a coach isn't informed enough to know what is athlete is doing wrong smacks of a lot of things.
I remember coaching a 6' 3" ---268-lb freshman girl ( yes girl) with a 24-inch vertical jump that I could only manage to get too 51-feet. EVERY meet she had coaching " stalkers" (before cyber) who KNEW the way if only she would listen too them...LOL She did listen to me enough to be the 15-time World Arm Wrestling Champ and has been in over 20-movies...LOL
Most coaches have a plan...most athletes are trying to follow the plan. Sometimes with mixed attempts at the EXECUTION !!!
I would suggest trying to CONTROL what you are DIRECTLY in charge of and IF you have some extra time...come on down and help me with my 20 + different sets of motor pattern changes...OUCH
In the words of Bobby McFerrin " Don't worry...be HAPPY "
published at Aug 25th 2007 3:44am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from w8coach
Point taken ,respectfully. It is a mistake to assign a name of an athlete with a technical point as we are treading on sacred ground. We all have had athletes that other coaches would have loved to have had on their teams and have offered their opions about ,free of charge. My approach here has been to identify tech points I feel very strongly about and made the mistake of using names as a reference and I understand the the harm done in such an act. Although, I still think it in our best interests , collectively, to pursue tech improvements, using the best throwers as examples, good or bad, to analyze technique. I'm not soliciting a job at coaching the throwers I've used as examples, rather to analyze their tech to in order to point out that even the best may not have been firing on all cylinders. I have never in my career, purosely gone to an athlete of any caliber , at a meet, pracice or social gathering and deliberately tried to undermine his or her coach. That's truely unethical and isn't the place of anyone but the athlete's coach. The forum is round table discussions and internet blogs where we share our technical discoveries.
published at Aug 25th 2007 4:26am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from kwameseal
Just wanted to check to see if anyone has any sprinter buddies or former athletes who are looking to get a start into college coaching.
Here is the short of it -
Millikin University, Decatur, IL
DIII - Track and Field Intern -
Stipend, Housing, Meal Plan
Will coach sprints/hurdles, possibly pole vault, and recruiting.
The job is posted on the NCAA site or our homepage for further info. Interested parties can email me at email@example.com
Head Coach..also the Throws Coach
published at Aug 25th 2007 5:32am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from hopefullthrower
I knew a USSr hammer coach who told many times that he east german and soviet athletes and coaches would tell one another lies and keep their secretes from each other as well as to western coaches. He told me how his athletes would stop their normal training when being observed and just throw as there was plenty of cineclips of them throwing.
He made the technique sound simple and talked about accumulating the physical and technical aspects over time.
published at Aug 25th 2007 6:11am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from jucs
It was. Is it a rule here I can't take some data that was presented on a different topic and wonder where the throwers went and create a new topic of discussion?
published at Aug 25th 2007 7:06am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Coach Herring
I was talking with one of my friends (another coach)about disagreements on the internet,and he said, "winning an internet arguement is like winning the special olympics, you may have won but your still a retard."
That being said, we're all atleast participants sometimes.
published at Aug 25th 2007 7:11am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from jucs
Thanks. I am glad someone understood my expansion of some data that was presented in another thread.
My hat off to him as well and God Bless our Men and Women in the military and what they do for our country!
published at Aug 25th 2007 7:15am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from CoachW
I got a new coaching job and the AD doesnt allow throwing real hammers onto the field that is shared with football. They can throw chain hammers. If anyone uses these a lot please let me know what you do to change the weight/length, etc. I've got 5 weeks and am a bit worried. Should I be buying a lot of chain and wires?
published at Aug 25th 2007 8:19am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from flyzguy
I've thrown chain hammers for practice before and while I think they have potential to be a viable replacement if necessary, there are some issues to address.
Most of the feel of the hammer (besides weight) is the effective radius of the hammer. I, like most throwers, are really "feel" oriented athletes, so chain hammers really throw things off. The radius of the chain hammer I threw was shorter than a standard hammer so it felt short; but it also felt short because the center of gravity of all that chain is somewhere in the cluster of chain, whereas the center of gravity of the normal hammer is basically in the middle of the ball.
In the end, you are going to have to experiment with different lengths to find the one that feels the same and goes about the same distance. There are scientific ways of calculating this probably, but not worth the effort in my mind. In general if you want an athlete to be able to practice with chain hammers all the time, and then go and throw a normal cometition hammer in a meet without getting thrown off, I would guess you would need to lengthen the chain hammer so that the length from chain to handle is longer than the competition hammer, but that's just a guess.
The great things about chain hammers besides their lack of damage they cause to fields:
1) easily adjustable weights
2) no stiff wires bending every way since they usually come with a filament type cable
3) increased safety for practice
published at Aug 25th 2007 9:42am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/