These are the posts from "The Ring" archive on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/ from day Aug 17th 2007
"The Ring" archive entries from Aug 17th 2007
Quote from w8coach
Good question and I will attempt to answer in a way that makes sense. I believe that attempting to get an athlete to wait on one thing casues them to forget about something else that may be more critical. It creates a problem in that the athlete and coach try to fix the effect instead of the cause. Instead of waitng withthe right side, I shift my entire focus to the left side and that in itself creates a leg in the right side and a relaxation that is critical t achieveing stretch reflex. Whether a thrower does a stand throw or a full throw, I work the right foot pivot and the left arm blcking action simultanesousl. Just like in waling or running, the opposite hand/arm works with the opposite leg/foot. With a relaxed right arm at the height of its orbit, I teach a long left arm stretching the large muscles of the chest simutaneous with the right pivot. Once the pivot is complete and the slack is taken out of the chest, the left arm is agressively pulled to the chest and the right hip, not leg, is extended. If the thrower is releasing throws to the right or into the cage they are actively contracting the righ side of the chest and or rotation the right side onto the throw prematurely.
published at Aug 17th 2007 1:08am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from tomsonite
51m and change won the D2 conference that I will be competing in starting this year. I'm currently a 45m thrower and that would qualify me to make the finals of our conference.
Ultimately its up to the strength of the school's program and what the coach wants though.
published at Aug 17th 2007 2:09am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from N2THROS
Thanks for the information. I basically do everything that you mention in your post with the exception of lift. When the right foot completes the rotation and knees and hip are rotating to finale position, I have the athlete squeeze the butt and extend the right knee to get lift and forward rotation of the hip, so the throwing side arm can follow behind the hip. I teach shoulder level with the discus throughtout the ring for the first two or three years on the young throwers with the discus in the "Spank" poosition (can't remember who I stole that from). Then in h.s. we go to a little more orbit (discus) and less shoulder level throwing. I constantly refer to "rake the cage to trim the fingernails", reminding them to keep the arms long. I teach them that "a quick hard left foot plant with the solid knee block stops the left hip action and the push up and forward of the throwing hip creates lift and distance if the hip stays ahead of the shoulder throughout the throw. Thank you for your information. I will continue to stay informed and try to learn more about coaching and teaching of young athletes. Good luck to all, Throw far and loud. C.B.-Nebraska aka N2THROS Typed not proofed. P.S. we don't get many right sector or cage fouls, only on throwers who lead with the butt in the right sector. This can usually be corrected with back of the ring drills. C.B.
published at Aug 17th 2007 3:27am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from w8coach
The left arm is not just placed. I twould not be considered a block but only a stop. That is an incorrect action. The left arm is activle ly pulled when done correctly. The best example I can give you on film is if you go to macvideo and watch the film of Mac Wilkins in Plattsburg NY. This is an active left block the way it's supposed to function. You don't se it on many throwers as most don't understand the function in this way. I will give you that it is a very hard concept to master as it is not just throwing the left arm wildly but rather in a controlled sequence of events.
published at Aug 17th 2007 3:29am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from JRapp
Not just throwing the left arm wildly is what I mean by placed. The caution you have to take is that you can over-block with the left arm. You sweep the left wide and then bring it in. Most throwers will try to rip the left back and away from the throw, especially if you tell them to actively pull it. If it helps to understand how it is in my head think of it as an "aggressive", controlled placement. Mac Wilkins was great at getting his left to where he wanted it and then violently working the right side around and past it. As you deliver the impliment you don't want the left to keep working back or you're going to diffuse a lot of the energy created. Not to mention there's another half to the block called the left leg which a lot of people neglect.
published at Aug 17th 2007 3:50am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from w8coach
We'll have to disagree on this as if you are woking the right side around the left it is an active contraction of the muscles and it's counterproductive to stretch reflex and complete motions.Mac used his left arm as it should be used in the manner I described to you before. This is the basis for the term effortless throw as the right arm is passive througout the delivery until the stretch reflex is complete. Of cours the left arm doesn't continue to go back, this is a byproduct of proper balance and eloptical movement. We were only discussing the left arm bt would be happy to explain the function of the left leg is need be.
published at Aug 17th 2007 6:07am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from MAC
Your next post may result in your campus location and name being posted. You gave me enough information to track, identify and locate you. People know you and might be surprised by your conduct. I show consideration to you at this point only because of your family and professional situation, although truthfully you have shown absolutely none to others.
published at Aug 17th 2007 8:47am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from boris
what did he do? I looked back a few days in the posts and couldnt find anything... did he say something on this site?
published at Aug 17th 2007 9:06am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from MAC
Thankfully his most recent post was removed and is indicative of the malicious content.
published at Aug 17th 2007 9:10am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from boris
that is good, no room for that stuff on the "ring"
published at Aug 17th 2007 9:13am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from eveltrak
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published at Aug 17th 2007 9:53am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from dsmith
I'll be waiting for another ignorant post by Scratch. I emailed Carr when I first read that post, and requested that he ban that idiot from the ring. That was freak'in ridiculous.
published at Aug 17th 2007 10:23am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from boris
what scratch said! I am really interested... or at least give me the jist.
published at Aug 17th 2007 11:17am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from my63cents
Call me crazy, but wouldn't it be a bit unethical of you to out Scratch?
published at Aug 17th 2007 12:04pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from TheManWithNoName
For either discus or spinners in the shot.
Regarding the left foot coming out of the back of the ring.
Please compare and contrast 'pushing' off the left vs. 'picking up' the left foot.
Pushing, to me, seems like someone who sprints across the circle. The left leg will straighten and the left foot stays in the back of the ring longer. And the left foot stays close to the ring while being wheeled to the front of the circle (Oldfield).
Picking up the left foot (Dave Laut) seems more like someone who rotates rather that sprints. The left foot is picked up while the left leg is still bent. While rotating to the front, the left leg remains bent and the foot is carried high (close to your butt). With this style you can get off your left foot sooner, so you can hopefully get double support in a more torqued position.
Is one style better then another?
Thanks for your insight and opinions.
published at Aug 17th 2007 12:33pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Scratch
You know this opression will not stand man. We are talking about unchecked aggression here dude. Im talking about a line in the sand and across this line you shall not.....ah fuck it Im going bowling.
published at Aug 17th 2007 12:55pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from LetItRip
Virgilius is #1 in my book...
I like science, and i like that whole shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line... watch the last olympic video of Alekna.. simply amazing.. hes such a big guy, amazing consistency, clutch, arm span.. whatever... that its easy to miss that he has an amazing left foot acros the circle.. Left foot placement is critical, timing of this placement paramount..(ultimately the right-left timing of course) Are there plenty of incredible throwers who employ kicking the ass type of left out of back ? absolutely.. so, it has to do with preference of course...Tell Adam to keep his left foot low across the circle yeah right...
one note also on what you mentioned.. in my world.. You need to load up that left good, so you can really get good right leg kick/drive around back. If done correctly, the left can follow it almost immediately, as the right passes the left..
on the contrary.. if you dont load the left efficiently and get a good right leg around back, the tendency is to almost reach or drive the right across the ring utilizing a pushing left leg.. this is not the desired rhythm or timing. especially since you will eat up most of the ring as well..
so to answer your questions...
no style is better, though i like to stay as close to science where possible
to me, i try to keep things as simple as possible, and keeping the left close to the ground can eliminate a lot of potential problems with rhythm and timing.. the sooner that left is down in front, the better position & seperation i am going to potentially achieve, and the better throw likely.
published at Aug 17th 2007 1:36pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from shrek
anyone know of the records for the 100lb weight/superweight throw ?
published at Aug 17th 2007 8:37pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
Quote from Glenn McAtee
I can't tell you what the record is, nor can I tell you how far I threw when I tried it, but I considered it a personal victory that I did not soil myself or snap my spine while doing it.
I highly encourage you to stay away from this event as it is the ulitmate corruption of the hammer throw. People hate the regular weight for what it does to your hammer....multiply that by 6 here.
published at Aug 17th 2007 8:52pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/
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