"The Ring" archive entries from Aug 17th 2007

    Quote from w8coach

    Good question and I will attempt to answer in a way that makes sense. I believe that attempting to get an athlete to wait on one thing casues them to forget about something else that may be more critical. It creates a problem in that the athlete and coach try to fix the effect instead of the cause. Instead of waitng withthe right side, I shift my entire focus to the left side and that in itself creates a leg in the right side and a relaxation that is critical t achieveing stretch reflex. Whether a thrower does a stand throw or a full throw, I work the right foot pivot and the left arm blcking action simultanesousl. Just like in waling or running, the opposite hand/arm works with the opposite leg/foot. With a relaxed right arm at the height of its orbit, I teach a long left arm stretching the large muscles of the chest simutaneous with the right pivot. Once the pivot is complete and the slack is taken out of the chest, the left arm is agressively pulled to the chest and the right hip, not leg, is extended. If the thrower is releasing throws to the right or into the cage they are actively contracting the righ side of the chest and or rotation the right side onto the throw prematurely.

    published at Aug 17th 2007 1:08am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from N2THROS

    Thanks for the information. I basically do everything that you mention in your post with the exception of lift. When the right foot completes the rotation and knees and hip are rotating to finale position, I have the athlete squeeze the butt and extend the right knee to get lift and forward rotation of the hip, so the throwing side arm can follow behind the hip. I teach shoulder level with the discus throughtout the ring for the first two or three years on the young throwers with the discus in the "Spank" poosition (can't remember who I stole that from). Then in h.s. we go to a little more orbit (discus) and less shoulder level throwing. I constantly refer to "rake the cage to trim the fingernails", reminding them to keep the arms long. I teach them that "a quick hard left foot plant with the solid knee block stops the left hip action and the push up and forward of the throwing hip creates lift and distance if the hip stays ahead of the shoulder throughout the throw. Thank you for your information. I will continue to stay informed and try to learn more about coaching and teaching of young athletes. Good luck to all, Throw far and loud. C.B.-Nebraska aka N2THROS Typed not proofed. P.S. we don't get many right sector or cage fouls, only on throwers who lead with the butt in the right sector. This can usually be corrected with back of the ring drills. C.B.

    published at Aug 17th 2007 3:27am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from w8coach

    The left arm is not just placed. I twould not be considered a block but only a stop. That is an incorrect action. The left arm is activle ly pulled when done correctly. The best example I can give you on film is if you go to macvideo and watch the film of Mac Wilkins in Plattsburg NY. This is an active left block the way it's supposed to function. You don't se it on many throwers as most don't understand the function in this way. I will give you that it is a very hard concept to master as it is not just throwing the left arm wildly but rather in a controlled sequence of events.

    published at Aug 17th 2007 3:29am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from JRapp

    Not just throwing the left arm wildly is what I mean by placed. The caution you have to take is that you can over-block with the left arm. You sweep the left wide and then bring it in. Most throwers will try to rip the left back and away from the throw, especially if you tell them to actively pull it. If it helps to understand how it is in my head think of it as an "aggressive", controlled placement. Mac Wilkins was great at getting his left to where he wanted it and then violently working the right side around and past it. As you deliver the impliment you don't want the left to keep working back or you're going to diffuse a lot of the energy created. Not to mention there's another half to the block called the left leg which a lot of people neglect.

    published at Aug 17th 2007 3:50am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from w8coach

    We'll have to disagree on this as if you are woking the right side around the left it is an active contraction of the muscles and it's counterproductive to stretch reflex and complete motions.Mac used his left arm as it should be used in the manner I described to you before. This is the basis for the term effortless throw as the right arm is passive througout the delivery until the stretch reflex is complete. Of cours the left arm doesn't continue to go back, this is a byproduct of proper balance and eloptical movement. We were only discussing the left arm bt would be happy to explain the function of the left leg is need be.

    published at Aug 17th 2007 6:07am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from MAC

    Your next post may result in your campus location and name being posted. You gave me enough information to track, identify and locate you. People know you and might be surprised by your conduct. I show consideration to you at this point only because of your family and professional situation, although truthfully you have shown absolutely none to others.

    MAC

    published at Aug 17th 2007 8:47am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from eveltrak

    Hi there. I am rooming with Dr. Bondarchuk in Singapore at the moment with the Canadian team... I just asked him (in response to your question) if he plans to write more books through ultimate athlete concepts and he says yes, so watch out for them. His latest on training transfer is great and we have have an excerpt of it on our site at http://www.athleticscoaching.ca. As well, on august 28th we will be posting a podcast ("Coach Cast") audio review of the book, if you are interested.

    Sorry for all the shameless advertising... just trying to get the word out.
    Derek Evely

    published at Aug 17th 2007 9:53am on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    published at Aug 17th 2007 12:33pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    published at Aug 17th 2007 1:36pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

    Quote from Glenn McAtee

    I can't tell you what the record is, nor can I tell you how far I threw when I tried it, but I considered it a personal victory that I did not soil myself or snap my spine while doing it.
    I highly encourage you to stay away from this event as it is the ulitmate corruption of the hammer throw. People hate the regular weight for what it does to your hammer....multiply that by 6 here.
    Glenn

    published at Aug 17th 2007 8:52pm on http://www.effortlessthrow.org/

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